Transparent hijacking of SMTP submission...

Randy Bush randy at
Sat Nov 29 20:45:06 UTC 2014

The STARTTLS filter was merely a tool used to divert and tap the traffic. It is the latter which is over the line. 

randy, on a teensy non-computer

On Nov 29, 2014, at 15:17, John Levine <johnl at> wrote:

>> i think of it as an intentional traffic hijack.  i would be talking to a
>> lawyer.
> If the lawyer says anything other than that 47 USC 230(c)(2)(A)
> provides broad immunity for ISP content filtering, even if the filters
> sometimes screw up, you need a new lawyer.
> Filtering STARTTLS on port 587 is pretty stupid, but not everything
> that's stupid is illegal.
> R's,
> John
> PS: I know enough technical people at Comcast that I would be
> extremely surprised if it were Comcast doing this.  There's plenty not
> to like about the corporation, but the technical staff are quite
> competent.

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