Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on Technica

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Thu Mar 27 06:31:40 UTC 2014


Depends.

On some services (L3, etc.), yes, they compete.
That should not be conflated with competing at the L1 service.
MSOs deliver L1 co-ax or HFC.
RLECs deliver copper pairs and/or GPON.
Satellite is it’s own peculiar sets of L1 transport.

None of them compete head-to-head on the same technology on L1.

Owen

On Mar 26, 2014, at 10:11 PM, Frank Bulk <frnkblk at iname.com> wrote:

> And MSOs, wireless carriers, and satellite providers aren't competitors to
> RLECs?
> 
> Frank
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Owen DeLong [mailto:owen at delong.com] 
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:05 PM
> To: Frank Bulk
> Cc: Naslund, Steve; nanog at nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on Technica
> 
> Since a second build-out is impractical (if not actually impossible) and
> they don't
> sell UNEs, they are, in fact, pretty much exempt from direct competition for
> the
> same services.
> 
> Owen
> 
> On Mar 23, 2014, at 8:20 PM, Frank Bulk <frnkblk at iname.com> wrote:
> 
>> I think I understand what you're saying -- you believe that RLECs that
> don't
>> have to provide UNE's are exempt from competition.  I guess I don't see
> the
>> lack of that requirement meaning that there's no competition -- it just
>> means that the kind of competition is different.
>> 
>> Frank
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Naslund, Steve [mailto:SNaslund at medline.com] 
>> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:16 PM
>> To: Frank Bulk
>> Cc: nanog at nanog.org
>> Subject: RE: Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on Technica
>> 
>> Many rural LECs are not required to provide unbundled network elements.
> As
>> a network provider you can resell their service but they are not required
> to
>> provide unbundled elements necessary to compete against them as a
> facilities
>> based provider.  So, for example, in Alamo Tennessee or Northern Wisconsin
>> you can get a T-1 from a competitive carrier that resells their services
> but
>> you cannot get competitive POTS service.  You can buy DSL service from
>> anyone but they are reselling the RLECs DSL access services not just
> running
>> on their cable pairs.  One of the biggest players that specializes in
> being
>> a rural LEC is Frontier Communications.
>> 
>> Yes, there are wireless carriers and satellite providers but especially in
>> rural areas they are not a real viable alternative for high speed data
> since
>> we know the characteristic of satellite service and WISPs have the same
>> density problem in providing service in rural areas.  It is hard for a
> WISP
>> to be profitable when you only have a handful of customers per mile.  Same
>> formula, low density, long distances, high infrastructure per customer
> cost
>> for the WISP.
>> 
>> Steven Naslund
>> Chicago IL
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Frank Bulk [mailto:frnkblk at iname.com] 
>> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:08 PM
>> To: Naslund, Steve
>> Cc: nanog at nanog.org
>> Subject: RE: Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on Technica
>> 
>> Not sure which rural LECs are exempt from competition.  Some areas are
>> effectively exempt from facilities-based (i.e. wireline) competition
> because
>> it's unaffordable, without subsidy, to build a duplicate wireline
>> infrastructure.  There are also wireless carriers and WISPs the compete
>> against RLECs, as well as satellite providers.  I'm not aware of any
>> exclusivity.
>> 
>> Frank
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Naslund, Steve [mailto:SNaslund at medline.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:00 PM
>> To: Joe Greco
>> Cc: nanog at nanog.org
>> Subject: RE: Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on Technica
>> 
>> <snip>
>> 
>> In a low density area you can never fund a build out which is where
>> universal access charges came from and the reason that rural LECs are
> exempt
>> from competition.  In return for building a network that is not profitable
>> easily they get exclusive access to sell services on it to give them a
>> chance.  Will your NRC be reasonable anywhere outside a major metro area?
>> 
>> <snip>
>> 
>> Steven Naslund
>> Chicago IL
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 




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