misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.)

Bob Evans bob at FiberInternetCenter.com
Tue Mar 25 14:05:46 UTC 2014


Bob Evans
CTO

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> On 3/24/14 9:12 PM, "Bob Evans" <bob at FiberInternetCenter.com> wrote:
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>>I agree with "one" thing herein....
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>>> In order for IPv6 to truly work, everyone needs to be moving towards
>>>IPv6.
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>>Yep, chicken and the egg. I agree. We built an IPv6 "native" network - no
>>tunneling - no customers to speak of ... didn't even bother to start IPv6
>>peering on it.
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> How would there be traffic if you have no peering?

4 IPv6 transits and a handful of customers. Today, we only provide fiber
service to businesses. Tiny traffic - no IPv6 peering at IX locations.

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>>An there you have it, how much is someone willing to pay for space in the
>>Internet casino. Well, it's much more than free and probably close to the
>>dollar level in the presentation by Lee Howard at an ARIN meeting (I
>> think
>>it was in Barbados or maybe I have that meeting place wrong and it was
>>NANOG) ... Well, $40/month per IP address will be the pain level for all
>>customers to finally cash-in the IPv4 chips and move to IPv6.
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> I wish it was Barbados!
> NANOG56.
> http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog56/presentations/Wednesday/wed.general.h
> oward.24.wmv
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Thanks Lee, I was hunting for that link.

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>>Thus far, IPv6 has been the "Field of Dreams" .... those of us who have
>>built it, we know they have not yet come  (the IPv6 customers).  That's
>>all this discussion is really about is "when will they come".
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> Some of us have quite a few IPv6 customers:
> http://www.worldipv6launch.org/measurements/
> And we see significant traffic from those users.  :-)
>

Maybe my isolation in silicon valley causes me to have a different IPv6
experience. Not much IPv6 happening here. I heard Google my have topped
over 2% traffic that is IPv6. Significant ? Not from where I am sitting.

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>>I know the core of the Internet will be IPv4 for many years. All one has
>>to do is talk to a few customer to find out that they are in no hurry.
>>It's a no-brainer, because , none of us charges a customer more than than
>>lunch money for an IPv4 address.
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> Depends on what you mean by "core." For some values of "core," the
> Internet is already dual-stack.
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>>Now, if you tell me all the porn site owners were great net citizens,
>>ready to move to IPv6 and shut off IPv4 access, well then I can see
>> things
>>moving along much faster.
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> Feel free to offer them a discount for dual-stack, and a deeper discount
> for IPv6-only.
> Unfortunately, I don't know any porn site operators, so I haven't been
> able to have conversations with them about the economics of IPv6.
>

We give away the IPv6 to every business on a second port - to make their
life easy and encourage them to play with it. Unfortunately, few try it at
all.

Bob

> Lee
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