misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.)

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Tue Mar 25 00:10:45 UTC 2014

Let’s assume, for a moment, that there are 32 /8s out there that could be reclaimed.

Let’s further assume that renumbering out of a /8 takes, on average, about 18 months.
(That’s moving almost 1,000,000 customers per month on average, potentially).

Even if we got all 32 /8 equivalents back over the next 18 months, it would only buy
us approximately 2 years of additional IPv4 life-span when divvied up among APNIC,
RIPE, etc.

The IPv4 situation is not artificial. IPv4 is being maintained well past its useful life
at great cost.


On Mar 22, 2014, at 2:30 AM, Bryan Socha <bryan at digitalocean.com> wrote:

> Oh btw, how many ipv4s are you hording with zero justification to keep
> them?       I was unpopular during apricot for not liking the idea of no
> liability leasing of v4.     I don't like this artificial v4 situation
> every eyeball network created.    Why is v4 a commodity and asset?   Where
> is the audits.    I can justify my 6 /14s, can you still?
> On Mar 22, 2014 4:36 AM, "TJ" <trejrco at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Millions of IPs don't matter in the face of X billions of people, and
>> XX-XXX billions of devices - and this is just the near term estimate.
>> (And don't forget utilization efficiency  - Millions of IPs is not
>> millions of customers served.)
>> Do IPv6.
>> /TJ
>> On Mar 22, 2014 3:09 AM, "Bryan Socha" <bryan at digitalocean.com> wrote:
>>> As someone growing in the end of ipv4, its all fake.    Sure, the rirs
>> will
>>> run out, but that's boring.    Don't believe the fake auction sites.
>>> Fair price of IP at the end is $1 for bad Rep $2 for barely used, $3 for
>> no
>>> spam and $4 for legacy.    Stop the inflation.     Millions of IPS exist,
>>> there is no shortage and don't lie for rirs with IPS left.

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