misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.)

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Tue Mar 25 00:07:13 UTC 2014


In order for IPv6 to truly work, everyone needs to be moving towards IPv6.

Maintaining dual protocols for the entire internet is problematic, wasteful, and horribly
inefficient at best. Bottom line, the internet outgrew IPv4 almost 30 years ago and
we’ve been using various hacks like NAT as a sort of IPv4 life-support ever since.

Ask any doctor about the prospects for a patient on life support for years at a time
and they will probably laugh at you. Patients rarely survive more than a few days
on life support, let alone weeks, months, or even years.

Yes, we’ve done really well with internet life support. So well that many have been
lulled into a false sense of safety believing that these extreme measures can be
continued indefinitely and scaled well beyond their breaking points.

There is little visibility into the escalating cost and complexity of these measures
and even less awareness of the relative ease of deploying IPv6 compared to most
of these mechanisms.

Owen

On Mar 22, 2014, at 2:25 AM, Bryan Socha <bryan at digitalocean.com> wrote:

> Fair point.   There are some situations that do need more than most, but
> aren't they the ones that should be on ipv6 already???????
> 
> I know a few are shouldn't I be on ipv6 and that's fair too.   I'm
> plqnnning some speaking engagements to cover that.  Its not blind and
> ignoring.
> On Mar 22, 2014 4:36 AM, "TJ" <trejrco at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Millions of IPs don't matter in the face of X billions of people, and
>> XX-XXX billions of devices - and this is just the near term estimate.
>> (And don't forget utilization efficiency  - Millions of IPs is not
>> millions of customers served.)
>> 
>> Do IPv6.
>> /TJ
>> 
>> On Mar 22, 2014 3:09 AM, "Bryan Socha" <bryan at digitalocean.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> As someone growing in the end of ipv4, its all fake.    Sure, the rirs
>> will
>>> run out, but that's boring.    Don't believe the fake auction sites.
>>> Fair price of IP at the end is $1 for bad Rep $2 for barely used, $3 for
>> no
>>> spam and $4 for legacy.    Stop the inflation.     Millions of IPS exist,
>>> there is no shortage and don't lie for rirs with IPS left.
>> 




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