arin representation

John Curran jcurran at
Mon Mar 24 04:16:24 UTC 2014

Steve -

    Thanks for the reminder;  terminology aside, I think we have 
    a good understanding of Randy's request for statistics.

We'll put these together asap.

> On Mar 24, 2014, at 11:58 AM, "Naslund, Steve" <SNaslund at> wrote:
> Sorry Randy,
> I was not trying to criticize your terminology.  I was just wondering about the question trying to be answered here.  The holder of an address space and the end user of the address space are two really different things.  The holder is often an ARIN member or grandfathered in and an end user (including most ISP customers) are not going to be ARIN members.  I know that you and most of the other on here know that they are not "owners" of the space.  I was just trying to figure out if your term "owner" refers to the holder of the space or the user of the space.  Not trying to make a political statement.
> I apologize if I gave you the impression that I disapproved of your question.
> Steve
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy Bush [mailto:randy at] 
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:52 PM
> To: Naslund, Steve
> Cc: John Curran; North American Network Operators' Group
> Subject: Re: arin representation
>> I think the term "owned" is a problem here.
> sorry not to get your religious icons correctly.  full refund below.
> jeezus!  get a life.
> randy

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