misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.)

Justin M. Streiner streiner at cluebyfour.org
Sat Mar 22 14:33:51 UTC 2014

On Sat, 22 Mar 2014, Bryan Socha wrote:

> Oh btw, how many ipv4s are you hording with zero justification to keep
> them?       I was unpopular during apricot for not liking the idea of no
> liability leasing of v4.     I don't like this artificial v4 situation
> every eyeball network created.    Why is v4 a commodity and asset?   Where
> is the audits.    I can justify my 6 /14s, can you still?

That ship sailed a long time time ago.  Can some IPv4 space be recovered 
by 'auditing' consumers of IPv4?  Possibly.  Does the amount of space that 
would be recovered justify the effort (economic, administrative, legal, 
technical)?  No.  IPv6 is the way to go.

All of these 'Hail Mary' options for 'saving' IPv4 really are pointless.

Don't forget that IPv4, in the form we know it, was never intended to go 
into production.  It's a lab experiment that grew legs and got out of its 


> On Mar 22, 2014 4:36 AM, "TJ" <trejrco at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Millions of IPs don't matter in the face of X billions of people, and
>> XX-XXX billions of devices - and this is just the near term estimate.
>> (And don't forget utilization efficiency  - Millions of IPs is not
>> millions of customers served.)
>> Do IPv6.
>> /TJ
>> On Mar 22, 2014 3:09 AM, "Bryan Socha" <bryan at digitalocean.com> wrote:
>>> As someone growing in the end of ipv4, its all fake.    Sure, the rirs
>> will
>>> run out, but that's boring.    Don't believe the fake auction sites.
>>> Fair price of IP at the end is $1 for bad Rep $2 for barely used, $3 for
>> no
>>> spam and $4 for legacy.    Stop the inflation.     Millions of IPS exist,
>>> there is no shortage and don't lie for rirs with IPS left.

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