Muni Fiber and Politics

Måns Nilsson mansaxel at
Thu Jul 31 12:01:28 UTC 2014

Subject: Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Date: Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 06:56:40PM -0500 Quoting Leo Bicknell (bicknell at
> On Jul 30, 2014, at 1:47 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at> wrote:
> > Symmetrical would be tough to do unless you're doing Active-
> > E.
> I'm an outlier in my thinking, but I believe the best world would be
> where the muni offered L1 fiber, and leased access to it on a 
> non-discrimatory basis.  That would necessitate an Active-E solution
> since L1 would not have things like GPON splitters in it, but it 
> enables things like buying a dark fiber pair from your home to
> your business, and lighting it with your own optics.  That to me is
> a huge win.
> It also means future upgrades are unencumbered.  Want to run 10GE?
> 100GE?  50x100GE WDM?  Please do.  You leased a dark fiber.  If the
> muni has "gear" (even just splitters) in the path they will gatekeeper
> upgrades.
> It may be a smidge more expensive up front, but in the long run I
> think it will be cheaper, more reliable, and most importantly hugely
> more flexible.

GPON is basically unheard of in Sweden. All "fiber" access is either
copper to a switch in the basement/similar in multi-tenant houses or
direct pairs to CO. Some middle solutions exist where there's a rugged
switch in a pole or roadside cabinet, but they are exceptions. I think
the Amsterdam buildout is similar.

It is better, both for the customer and the provider. The only "loser"
is a potential third party acting as comms provider on L1, possibly L2.

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