Netflix To Cogent To World

Blake Hudson blake at
Wed Jul 23 18:27:23 UTC 2014

That answer seem overly simple: Comcast's answer was Comcast and 
Verizon's answer was Verizon... Seems that is what is occurring for both 
of these parties.

The debate has been over whether this is fair (keeping in mind that 
Netflix has a standing offer to peer at their own cost to any ISP with 
sufficient traffic levels). I can't blame these guys for wanting Netflix 
as a customer. After all, Netflix probably pays their bills on time and 
generate a lot of traffic which equates to a good revenue stream.


Phil Rosenthal wrote the following on 7/23/2014 12:09 PM:
> With this war of blog posts — perhaps Netflix should ask this question:
> Who can we buy transit from who has sufficient peering capacity to reach Comcast’s and Verizon’s customers?
> -P
> On Jul 23, 2014, at 1:00 PM, Adam Rothschild <asr at> wrote:
>> I think the confusion by Jay and others is that there is a plethora of commercial options available for sending traffic to Comcast or Verizon, at scale and absent congestion.  I contend that there is not.
>> I, too, have found Netflix highly responsive and professional, as a peering partner...
>> $0.02,
>> -a
>> On Jul 23, 2014, at 11:31 AM, Bob Evans <bob at> wrote:
>>> Most likely Netflix writes policies to filter known cogent conflict
>>> peers...Chances are they use cogent to reach the cogent customer base and
>>> other peers.  I know from experience that peering directly with Netflix
>>> works very well....they don't depend heavily on transit delivery if direct
>>> peering is possible.
>>> Thank You
>>> Bob Evans
>>> CTO
>>>>> If I were Netflix, why would I buy all my transit from Cogent[1], given
>>>>> Cogent's propensity for getting into peering fights with people
>>>>> *already*,
>>>>> even before *I* start sending them 1000:1 asymmetric outbound traffic?
>>>> Perhaps Netflix expect this to be an ongoing problem with moree ISPs
>>>> asking them to pay to deliver (following Bretts lead ;-), so with their
>>>> previous transits experience why would they continue to buy from pussies?
>>>>> So why would Cogent offer Netflix a helluva deal?
>>>> Previous events have shown Cognet only use live rounds, so why would they
>>>> not take the opportunity to get a bigger gun?
>>>> Mutually assured domination. Perhaps one will buy the other sometime.
>>>> brandon

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