Muni Fiber and Politics

Brian Artschwager brian at
Mon Jul 21 20:39:37 UTC 2014

Maybe I am narrow minded in my reading of all of this information. But it
seems to me that Verizon customers want to use their service to the
internet(Verizon), and Verizon's connection to the internet(L3, cogent,
etc) is not a thick enough pipe.

This sounds like UPS telling you that the reason your next day package
hasn't arrived is because they refuse to buy an airplane and insist on
sending it by truck...

On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Jay Ashworth <jra at> wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jason Iannone" <jason.iannone at>
> > Lots of blame to go around. Verizon isn't an eyeball only network
> > (Comcast would have a more difficult time describing itself as
> > anything but), so a reasonable peering policy should apply. In
> > Verizon's case, 1.8:1. I speculate that without Netflix, Cogent and
> > L3 are largely within the specifications of their peering agreements.
> > Netflix knows how much traffic it sends. If its transit is doing
> > their due diligence, they'll also know. It didn't come as a surprise
> > to either transit provider that they were going to fill their pipes
> > into at least some eyeball provider peers. Cogent is notoriously hard
> > nosed when it comes to disputes, and Level3 caved very early in the
> > fight. Anyway, this is a simple peering dispute between carriers that
> > almost certainly knew they were participating with the internet's
> > number one traffic generator and eyeballs wanting to get back into the
> > contractual green. Also, I don't think it's out of line for anyone to
> > ask for free stuff.
> I might be misreading your posting here, Jason, but it sounds as if you
> are playing into Verizon's argument that this traffic is somehow Netflix's
> *fault*/"responsibility", rather than merely being the other side of
> flows *initiated by Verizon FiOS customers*.
> Did I misunderstand you?
> Cheers,
> -- jra
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