Inevitable death, was Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix
snoble at sonn.com
Fri Jul 18 23:34:00 UTC 2014
I know you will see the irony in my next statement..
Brett: you should talk to level 3 again, they are looking to connect to
anyone to help with Netflix connectivity.
The above URL is a great place to start.
On Jul 17, 2014 5:21 AM, "Jared Mauch" <jared at puck.nether.net> wrote:
> On Jul 15, 2014, at 9:48 PM, George Herbert <george.herbert at gmail.com>
> >> On Jul 15, 2014, at 5:02 PM, Brett Glass <nanog at brettglass.com> wrote:
> >> At 05:10 PM 7/15/2014, George Herbert wrote:
> >>> Layer3 runs right through Laramie. With a redundant run slightly
> south. What conversations have you had with them?...
> >> At first, Level3 completely refused us. Then, they quoted us a rate
> several times higher than either of our existing upstreams for bandwidth.
> Even at that price, they refused to let us link to them via wireless
> (requiring us to either buy easements or buy land adjacent to their
> building, which sits on rented land).
> > Local fiber provider? How does everyone else tie in to Layer3 in
> > And, find a Layer3 reseller who can handle the cost problem. There are
> a bunch. I can recommend one privately if you can't find one.
> > Buying retail markups from the vendor who wants to sell wholesale only
> does not scale.
> The problem is partly a technological one. If you have a fiber span from
> east<-> west it doesn't make sense to OEO when you can just plop in a bidi
> amplifier. That OEO cost isn't "very high", but hitting every city like
> that becomes expensive quickly. This is why your 10G from EQUINIX-SJ to
> EQUNIX-ASH costs the same as the 10G loop from the DC to your local office.
> The cost is the OEO ends. If you're not in a fiber rich environment you
> are screwed. I have at&t fiber less than 1200 feet from me but they do not
> offer any non-dialtone services in my area. I'm all-poles to the end of
> the new comcast segment as well but due to a mid-part that doesn't have the
> density required to meet their metrics there continue to be only fixed
> wireless choices here.
> Others have suggested the UBNT gear. I'm using it myself, but I'll say..
> it still leaves a lot to be desired. It's mostly meant for use in less
> developed countries. Their latest 5Ghz access gear often takes 6-12 months
> to get FCC certified to operate in the full 5ghz band. With the recent
> opening all the way down to 5.1 this spring with the FCC that certification
> process restarted. They are great for hopping short distances at high
> speeds in the US, but are very susceptible to interference. (The NanoBeam,
> now PowerBeam is a bit better).
> my backhaul is 3 miles and works well for my use case. Cheaper than the
> T1 before and higher speeds. There's a lot of people in wispa around the
> edges you can find doing things, and many others doing it that aren't in
> wispa. Most are small businesses (Some are larger) and suffer from poor
> business choices, but the biggest problem I see is lack of ability to get
> high speed access as Brett is commenting. Prices may be low at the major
> DCs but out in these areas expect $10/Mb or more, sometimes not including
> - Jared
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