Verizon Public Policy on Netflix
LarrySheldon at cox.net
Sat Jul 12 23:17:28 UTC 2014
On 7/12/2014 5:19 PM, Barry Shein wrote:
> On July 12, 2014 at 12:08 randy at psg.com (Randy Bush) wrote:
> > > And, for the record, it's pretty widely acknowledge that "The World"
> > > (Barry Shein) was the world's first commercial ISP - offering shell
> > > access in 1989, and at some point started offering PPP dial-up
> > > services. As I recall, they were a UUnet POP.
> > yep. and uunet and psi were hallucinations. can we please not rewrite
> > well-known history?
> > or are you equating shell access with isp? that would be novel. unix
> > shell != internet.
> You mean when you sat at a unix shell using a dumb terminal on a
> machine attached to the internet in, say, 1986 you didn't think you
> were "on the internet"?
> The shell machines were connected to the internet. You could FTP,
> email, telnet, etc etc etc.
> Back in 1989 that was "on the internet".
> Heck, in 2014 it means on the internet.
> Right this minute I'm in a shell on a Linux machine connected to the
> internet and I'm pretty sure I have access to the internet.
> Consider the difference if you unplug that shell machine from the
> Internet Service Provider. You got internet services.
> What hair are you trying to split? That you were using a shared
> address? Are people behind a NAT wall not on the internet?
This must be the silliest recurring thread-topic on NANOG since the
"Spam is NOT an Operational issue" (or "DDOSes are not [ditto]") days.
For the Subject: line -- when my provider stops providing what I want at
a price I want to pay, I'll start looking for another one and as an end
user I am not remotely interested in the nasties they have to through to
GET what I want delivered.
For the current thread position -- At this precise moment I am using
Thunderbird (a messaging client with shell aspirations) under Windows XP
(a shell with OS pretensions) talking to the network I developed,
installed, pay for and maintain (could be called my ISP and separately
my wife's ISP, and the ISP for invited and uninvited guests--could be
but won't be because it conveys no useful information to anybody).
That network is connected to a company's cable, which company is my ISP,
my POTSP, and my TVP. Who and what they connect to to get th4e stuff I
want delivered is only of academic interest.
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of System Administrators:
Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Infallibility, and the ability to
learn from their mistakes.
(Adapted from Stephen Pinker)
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