ARIN's RPKI Relying agreement

Andrew Gallo akg1330 at
Thu Dec 4 16:33:56 UTC 2014

On 12/4/2014 11:22 AM, William Herrin wrote:
>>> On Dec 4, 2014, at 7:35 AM, Andrew Gallo <akg1330 at> wrote:
>>> In my informal conversations, what I got was that lawyers read
>>> the agreement, said 'no, we wont sign it' and then dropped it.  If
>>> specific legal feedback isn't making it back to ARIN, then we
>>> need to start providing it,
> Hi Andrew,
> The short version is that the would-be consumers of the RPKI data want the
> data published in much the same way that whois data is published. Many of
> the organizations aren't even in the ARIN region. Virtually any formal
> contract ARIN is able to offer will be a non-starter for these folks.

Understood and good point.  I've heard rumblings of setting up a 
non-ARIN TAL, though I wonder what the value is in separating RPKI from 
the registry.  Wouldn't this put us in the same position we're in with 
routing registries (with respect to data quality)?

> On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Bill Woodcock <woody at> wrote:
>> All the specific legal feedback I’ve heard is that this is a liability
> nightmare,
>> and that everyone wants ARIN to take on all the liability, but nobody
>> wants to pay for it.  Are you hearing something more useful than that?
> Hi Bill,
> No, nothing more useful. I've seen a lot of hand waving, but I still have
> no clue how the publication of RPKI data places ARIN at a different risk
> than publication of whois data. I think if we could better understand that,
> we'd be better able assess what the next steps are. Do we beat down ARIN's
> door and insist they publish the data? Do we pursue the creation of some
> new organization to manage RPKI, one with intentionally shallow pockets,
> and ask ARIN to cede the function? Something else? I think we all need a
> better understanding of the alleged legal issue before we can zero in on
> what should come next.
> For sure ARIN's current solution, a contract few will sign, is
> unsatisfactory.
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
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