Best US Tunnelbroker for Youtube

Wed Aug 27 01:17:14 UTC 2014

Someone was telling me this weekend their entire network is native dual
stack now.  I haven't had a chance to confirm it yet, but he said they are
issuing /60's to residential users using DHCPv6.

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On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 8:42 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

> My understanding is that almost all of the Comcast network is now IPv6
> capable.
>
> Owen
>
> On Aug 20, 2014, at 10:26 AM, Ryan Shea <ryanshea at google.com> wrote:
>
> > Not sure I've seen any evidence (or implied) that the tunnel was the
> > problem. My issue as far as I know is at the application layer and other
> > end-user experiences seemed a reasonable way to pick a direction. I will
> > work with HE though and provide them some details.
> >
> > Agreed, from an end-user perspective it can be often be clear as mud
> > whether I am using v6, or whether my Chromecast or Android device even
> > implements happy eyeballs. The relatively new "experiencing problems?"
> > butter bar that shows up beneath a video with notable buffering problems
> > (even at low quality levels) sends the user through to details about the
> > service provider, in this case HE. Over the past couple years YouTube has
> > been my canary to know when I've received a new IP from Verizon and I
> need
> > to go fix my tunnel -- video loading takes fuuuuuuuurever on
> > Android/Chromecast/GoogleTV (which hints that happy eyeballs, if it
> exists
> > for Android, isn't working so well for the YouTube app).
> >
> > I can't get native v6 at my home -- I'm probably not in a particularly
> > unique situation. Not to rathole the dicsussion, but as far as I know
> (save
> > for some small DSL providers) unless I'm in a gFiber city or happen to be
> > in the portion of the Comcast network that provides native v6 I'm out of
> > luck. I don't plan on moving to solve this problem.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Jeroen Massar <jeroen at massar.ch>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2014-08-20 18:21, Ryan Shea wrote:
> >>> IRC is a good suggestion, thanks. They'll likely be helpful.
> >>>
> >>> I see no indication of any throttling from my ISP - I can blast data at
> >>> full speed to my home from my server and work (with native v6
> >>> connections).
> >>
> >> Does that path between your $home and $server go over the tunnel you
> >> find so "slow"?
> >>
> >> If so, then you have just nicely excluded that the tunnel is NOT the
> >> problem.
> >>
> >> Hence, why traceroutes would be so extremely useful.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Contacting my ISP (Verizon FiOS) is virtually never a
> >>> reasonable path to a solution.
> >>
> >> google(Verizon FiOS throttle) = 71.900 results. One would almost think
> >> that there might sometimes be issues there.
> >>
> >> Also, do realize that the IPv6 path you are using goes over a shared
> >> host (the Tunnel Broker PoP) that has IPv4 and IPv6 capacity that might
> >> be shared in various points of the paths your packets cross.
> >>
> >> Did you test at the same time of your "blast data" that the IPv6 Youtube
> >> was working fine?
> >>
> >> Another thing, as browsers now do "Happy Eyeballs" (which is really
> >> horrible to diagnose issues with on OSX), did you check if everything is
> >> really going over IPv6? (hence the tcpdump/wireshark).
> >>
> >> [..]
> >>> To be clear, I was seeking opinions/experiences on a list that was
> >>> likely to have a high occurrence of folk with v6 tunnels.
> >>
> >> Tunnels are for endusers who still are at ISPs who don't do IPv6
> natively.
> >>
> >> NANOG has operators who have been running native IPv6 for over a decade.
> >>
> >> Hence, StackExchange might be useful for your purpose.
> >>
> >>> You have
> >>> etiquette suggestions, but not YouTube over tunnelbroker suggestions. I
> >>> apparently bring out your inner grump? Do you need a hug?
> >>
> >> My cat videos are streaming perfectly fine...
> >>
> >>> Burning Google engineering time would be a sub-optimal way to get HD
> cat
> >>> videos at home with the least time spent.
> >>
> >> Interesting, I was not aware they did not care about their eyeballs.
> >>
> >> Actually I am very confident lots of folks there would love to dig into
> >> your issue to actually resolve it. As when it is hitting you, it might
> >> hit other customers.
> >>
> >> Is that also not why there is this huge SRE department with lots of IPv6
> >> knowledgeable folks?
> >>
> >> Greets,
> >> Jeroen
> >>
> >>
>
>