Best US Tunnelbroker for Youtube

Ryan Shea ryanshea at google.com
Wed Aug 20 16:21:18 UTC 2014


IRC is a good suggestion, thanks. They'll likely be helpful.

I see no indication of any throttling from my ISP - I can blast data at
full speed to my home from my server and work (with native v6 connections).
Contacting my ISP (Verizon FiOS) is virtually never a reasonable path to a
solution. I just tried poking at iPerf, but my client and server are wildly
different versions and it seems to be lying to me about my speed
(14748046472308289536 Bytes/sec)

To be clear, I was seeking opinions/experiences on a list that was likely
to have a high occurrence of folk with v6 tunnels. You have etiquette
suggestions, but not YouTube over tunnelbroker suggestions. I apparently
bring out your inner grump? Do you need a hug?

Burning Google engineering time would be a sub-optimal way to get HD cat
videos at home with the least time spent.



On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Jeroen Massar <jeroen at massar.ch> wrote:

> On 2014-08-20 17:28, Ryan Shea wrote:
> > I was attempting to determine the lowest-time-cost path to "happy wife".
>
> Does your wife care it is IPv4 or IPv6 or just "funny cat videos"?
>
> I think your answer should be clear from that perspective.
>
> As somebody eager to post on NANOG though one would think it prudent and
> a good challenge to figure out what the problem is and actually resolve
> that problem. You might learn something from it.
>
>
> > My candidate paths are "kill v6", "sixxs", "routinghouse" and I was
> > looking for anecdotes that might lead me to test one over another.
>
> There are these things called search engines, you might know about them.
>
> Depending on the exact query though, you might or might not get an
> appropriate answer.
>
> Remember that the US is a rather large country with a very big network,
> and a very big variance in ISPs hence the answers found will not always
> match what you will be looking for, especially when you are unable to
> provide details of your problem.
>
> > Yes there are better operational approaches if I ditch the "happy wife"
> > && low-cost (time) concerns, but it certainly seems that the problem of
> > reliable high-quality video streams is more complex than a
> > traceroute/tcpdump are going to indicate.
>
> As the first big leg goes over IPv4, traceroutes and such information
> can be extremely useful as it might just expose a choke point.
>
> That choke point IS something that people on NANOG maybe could do
> something about. Though the direct thing is to contact your ISP. As you
> have a tunnel, that means both the IPv4 and IPv6 provider.
>
> As an enduser you could also check the various speedtest sites etc.
>
> I'll provide you also with the SixXS answer as per google(tunnel is
> slow): https://www.sixxs.net/faq/connectivity/?faq=slow
>
> That lists a variety of other things to look at. Definitely meant for
> end-users though, not operators.
>
> You can also ask around on Freenode's IPv6 channel
> http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ipv6&uio=d4
>
> Lots of knowledgeable people there who can help you debug the issue.
>
> > Where is the wireshark button my Chromecast?
>
> Does your Chromecast terminate the tunnel?
>
> As you seem to have a @google.com address, you might want to ask
> internally about that feature.
>
> > What is the PoP I am using for this particular video
> > versus another?
> > Is this request filled from Google Global Cache or not?
> > I am choosing not to tilt at these particular windmills.
>
> It seems you pick the other meaning of PoP.
>
> The meaning I referred to was the Tunnel Broker's PoP, see also:
>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IPv6_tunnel_brokers
>
> And yes, indeed, if you have network issues on the IPv4 leg between your
> host and the PoP (eg the IPv4 ISP doing ratelimiting of protocol-41)
> then that will also affect your IPv6 traffic.
>
>
> It is surprising that you have to ask on NANOG about the other kind of
> PoP (the google kind), as well, you could ask your colleagues about that
> who will be much more able to answer those kind of questions.
>
>
> > There are not Amazon reviews for tunnel brokers, so yes, I come to an
> > operator mailing list.
>
> Amazon does not sell those things.
>
> Also, depending on the setup chosen, you'll find a wide variety of
> (Tunnel Broker) PoPs and thus they all affect what one might actually be
> reviewing, hence, better to ask directly at the provider in question.
>
> Greets,
>  Jeroen
>
>


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