Dealing with abuse complaints to non-existent contacts

Mark Andrews marka at
Mon Aug 11 01:04:18 UTC 2014

In message <CB3CA09E-B16F-4101-AEC2-AEE12C982400 at>, Owen DeLong writes:
> On Aug 10, 2014, at 1:28 PM, goemon at wrote:
> > On Mon, 11 Aug 2014, Paul S. wrote:
> >> It would appear you've done your part in trying to reach out (and
> >> subsequently failed), so the next step to go is dropping all traffic from
> >> it.
> >>
> >> Nothing wrong with trying to protect your own customer from people who
> >> cannot be bothered to do their own due diligence.
> >
> > It would be nice if allocations would be revoked due to invalid/fake
> > contact info.
> >
> > -Dan
> I kind of agree, but past efforts in this regard have not met with
> consensus from the ARIN community.
> If you believe this to be the case, I suggest putting it into template
> format and submitting to policy at
> I'm happy to help if you would like. Subscribing to arin-ppml will allow
> you to participate in the community discussion of the policy proposal.
> Owen

It really isn't the RIR's job to withdraw allocations due to bad
behaviour as much as many of us would like it to be.  Failure to
maintain valid contact details however is within the purview of the

If you are being attacked, report the attack to your LEA.  Let the
LEA's maintain intellegence on which networks are permitting attacks
to be launched from their address space.  They can work with LEA
in the network's juristiction to get the attacks stops and offenders
prosecuted.  LEA's can in theory also get courts to issue orders
to filter offending address blocks by all ISP's in their juristiction.

Mark Andrews, ISC
1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
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