Muni Fiber and Politics

Owen DeLong owen at
Sat Aug 2 23:30:11 UTC 2014

Is it, or is it the norm because it is the result of a lack of facilities in those locations?

Show me even one area where there is a rich fiber infrastructure available on an equal footing to multiple competitors to provide L3 services and there are no L3 providers offering service to those residential customers.

I bet I can get a provider going there pretty quick.


> On Aug 2, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Scott Helms <khelms at> wrote:
> Happens all the time, which is why I asked Leo about that scenario.  There are large swarths of the US and even more in Canada where that's the norm.
>> On Aug 2, 2014 1:29 PM, "Owen DeLong" <owen at> wrote:
>> Such a case is unlikely. 
>>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 13:32, Scott Helms <khelms at> wrote:
>>>> I can never see a case where letting them play at Layer 3 or above helps.
>>>> That’s bad news, stay away.  But I think some well crafted L2 services
>>>> could actually _expand_ consumer choice.  I mean running a dark fiber
>>>> GigE to supply voice only makes no sense, but a 10M channel on a GPON
>>>> serving a VoIP box may…
>>> Even in those cases where there isn't a layer 3 operator nor a chance for a viable resale of layer 1/2 services.

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