The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it back
Paul Donner (pdonner)
pdonner at cisco.com
Fri Sep 6 23:03:44 UTC 2013
Great opportunity for a country like Brazil (for example) to become a place of business for many of these services which are subject to Calea (and such) in the US. This type of behavior is certainly a motivator for folks in other countries to benefit, to our detriment.
If the NSA is truly undermining the security of private enterprises which rely on compromised security implements, besides being counter productive, it will cost (maybe already has) in lost revenue or damages. Sooner or later this is going to take its toll. In the end the universal language of "cold hard cash" will reign.
From: Sam Moats<mailto:sam at circlenet.us>
Sent: 9/6/2013 11:55 AM
To: nanog at nanog.org<mailto:nanog at nanog.org>
Subject: Re: The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it back
The problem being is when you do have a provider that appears to be
and out of reach, think lavabit, that provider will not survive for
The CALEA requirements, and Patriot Act provisions will force them into
There only options are to:
Disobey the law, unacceptable in my opinion
Close down services, noble but I need to eat and you probably want to
keep getting email
Compromise your principles and obey the law, the path often choosen.
On 2013-09-06 13:20, Nicolai wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 02:27:32PM +0000, Naslund, Steve wrote:
>> If everyone cancelled their gmail accounts, stopped using Google
>> and stopped paying for Google placement and ads, their stock would
>> go to
>> zero nearly overnight. Again, no one seems to care about the issue
>> enough to do this because I have seen no appreciable backlash
>> these companies.
> I think Joe 6mbps sitting at home reads that everything he uses has
> subverted. He doesn't know what alternatives exist, and doesn't have
> the technical knowledge neccessary to find them on his own. And
> with a false choice -- stop using the Internet, or continue using it
> he knows how -- he chooses the one that retains his ability to
> communicate with family and friends and keep up on the things he
> Schneier is saying we need to build better options for Joe 6mbps,
> competing with the PRISM-compatable services, so that
> services become known and commonplace.
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