The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it back

harbor235 harbor235 at
Fri Sep 6 16:25:38 UTC 2013

The biggest mistake everyone is making is that while we are talking about
what the USGOV/NSA
in this instance you assume this is the only entity behaving in this manner.

Morpheus <>: "This is
your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue
pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you
want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show
you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. "


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at> wrote:

> We have to do the right thing anyway because as engineers we are always
> motivated to innovate, to fix, to make things better. Motivation has not to
> come form the NSA or any other spooking service of the day. Even if we
> design and deploy the best engineering solution there is always a weak link
> that can be compromised, coerced by law or workaround by
> counter-engineering.
> We want better was to provide "privacy" ? I'm not against that, but if you
> really want privacy the best and cheapest engineering solution is to remove
> the plug.
> We should spend more cycles about how to make broadband real broadband,
> deploying IPv6, implementing DNSSEC, educating people and bringing Internet
> where is no access or where there is bad access make it good, if in the
> process of doing that the NSA wants to get high sniffing all packets I
> really don't care much because that is not an engineering problem.
> I think that "privacy" on a "public" network is a very relative concept,
> same as "security".
> -J
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Scott Brim <scott.brim at> wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at> wrote:
> > > IMHO, there is no amount of engineering that can fix stupid people
> doing
> > > stupid things on both sides of the stupid lines.
> >
> > Yes but there is engineering to ensure that they have the opportunity
> > to do the right thing in the first place.  If we (IETF) naively
> > engineer out the ability to have privacy, it doesn't matter if those
> > people are stupid or not.
> >

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