The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it back

Jorge Amodio jmamodio at
Fri Sep 6 15:43:22 UTC 2013

We have to do the right thing anyway because as engineers we are always
motivated to innovate, to fix, to make things better. Motivation has not to
come form the NSA or any other spooking service of the day. Even if we
design and deploy the best engineering solution there is always a weak link
that can be compromised, coerced by law or workaround by

We want better was to provide "privacy" ? I'm not against that, but if you
really want privacy the best and cheapest engineering solution is to remove
the plug.

We should spend more cycles about how to make broadband real broadband,
deploying IPv6, implementing DNSSEC, educating people and bringing Internet
where is no access or where there is bad access make it good, if in the
process of doing that the NSA wants to get high sniffing all packets I
really don't care much because that is not an engineering problem.

I think that "privacy" on a "public" network is a very relative concept,
same as "security".


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Scott Brim <scott.brim at> wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at> wrote:
> > IMHO, there is no amount of engineering that can fix stupid people doing
> > stupid things on both sides of the stupid lines.
> Yes but there is engineering to ensure that they have the opportunity
> to do the right thing in the first place.  If we (IETF) naively
> engineer out the ability to have privacy, it doesn't matter if those
> people are stupid or not.

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