latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic

George Herbert george.herbert at
Fri Nov 1 23:39:12 UTC 2013

On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Randy Bush <randy at> wrote:

> > Anyone familiar with secure organizations
> there are such things?
> we should be more cautious with absolutes, usually :)

Nothing is absolute, but there are certainly "white" organizations which
have no attempt to be secure, and much greyer ones where it's a big deal in
organizational process and ethos.

A Snowden once a decade or so is not a bad record.  Unfortunately, we ...
hoped ... they were the good guys, not the bad guys.

-george william herbert
george.herbert at

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