What hath god wrought?

Mike Hale eyeronic.design at gmail.com
Mon May 20 19:29:55 UTC 2013


Would it be futile though?  I mean...DHS running a DOS against an
American organization is the kind of stuff that makes Constitutional
lawyers salivate.

I'm not trying to call you out, btw.  I'm genuinely curious why the
hosting company itself didn't file suit.  You've got a US Government
agency abusing your resources and acting in a blatantly illegal
manner.  That's the kind of stuff that results in letters of
resignation when publicized.

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Charles Wyble
<charles-lists at knownelement.com> wrote:
> Yes. I'm aware of that. It would be futile in most cases, which is a huge problem in and of itself, as that's really the only recourse.
>
> I mean they were using a shared hosting plan. Not exactly deep pocketed.
>
> My point is that the abuse of power is blatant and they are unafraid of any kind of retaliation. They don't need to hide.
>
> Mike Hale <eyeronic.design at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"Sue them?"
>>Uhm...yes?  That's why we have courts that we can sue federal agencies
>>in.
>>
>>On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Charles Wyble
>><charles-lists at knownelement.com> wrote:
>>> No proxy needed. No need to hide.
>>>
>>> While working for a very large hosting company, I once observed DHS
>>hammering an occupy related website. No attempt to hide the source ip
>>or anything.
>>>
>>> What are you going to do? Sue them? If they wish to take a site
>>offline, they will ddos it or simply seize the domain under the
>>national security banner.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "<<"tei''>>>" <oscar.vives at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 20 May 2013 01:58, Michael Painter <tvhawaii at shaka.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/05/ddos-for-hire-service-works-with-blessing-of-fbi-operator-says/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>More on the same topic.
>>>>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/05/ragebooter-legit-ddos-service-or-fed-backdoor/#more-19475
>>>>
>>>>Maybe the FBI use this to commit crimes in USA using a foreign
>>company
>>>>as proxy so nothing dirty show on the books. That way the FBI can
>>>>avoid respecting USA laws.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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