Time Warner Cable YouTube throttling

Thu Mar 7 02:53:18 UTC 2013

One thing to keep in mind is that youtube may be anycast.  Google's
distributed file system is pretty amazing and it could be traffic to one
specific datacenter that is possibly slow.

-Grant

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Min <qiu.min98 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I use FIOS.  In my case, I suspected two things.
>
>   1. congestion (my first hub appeared over subscribed)
>   2. packet out of order (high packet drop in alternet-google could be
> a symptom of multipath)
>
> Not sure which has bigger performance impact to youtube.
>
> Min
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Grant Ridder <shortdudey123 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > The 1st one gets slow at XO and the 2nd and 3rd get slow at Sprint.
> >
> > Now the interesting one with XO is that it is routed in a /30 that is
> > assigned to Google by XO.
> >
> > network:Class-Name:network
> > network:ID:NET-XO-NET-d1302a54
> > network:Auth-Area:209.48.0.0/15
> > network:Network-Name:XO-NET-d1302a54
> > network:Organization;I:GOOGLE INC. (328874-1)
> > network:IP-Network:209.48.42.84/30
> > network:Admin-Contact;I:XCIA-ARIN
> > network:Tech-Contact;I:XCIA-ARIN
> > network:Created:20120917
> > network:Updated:20121018
> > network:Updated-By:ipadmin at eng.xo.com
> >
> > -Grant
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Min <qiu.min98 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> 3 traces all indicated the last hub are 80~100ms faster than the
> >> second last hub.  Interesting.
> >>
> >> Min
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Derek Ivey <derek at derekivey.com> wrote:
> >> > I just got home and tested with quite a few 1080p videos. No issues
> over
> >> > my
> >> > Hurricane Electric IPv6 tunnel. I did notice frequent stops to buffer
> on
> >> > my
> >> > FiOS IPv4 connection. I have a 50 Mbps down connection and don't even
> >> > come
> >> > close to maxing it when watching Youtube videos.
> >> >
> >> > Here are a few traceroutes:
> >> >
> >> > [2.1-BETA0][root at pfsense]/root(1): traceroute
> >> > r19---sn-p5qlsm7d.c.youtube.com
> >> > traceroute to r19.sn-p5qlsm7d.c.youtube.com (208.117.251.184), 64
> hops
> >> > max,
> >> > 40 byte packets
> >> >  1  L100.HRBGPA-VFTTP-12.verizon-gni.net (98.117.0.1)  1.222 ms
> 1.348 ms
> >> > 0.834 ms
> >> >  2  G10-0-8-112.HRBGPA-LCR-01.verizon-gni.net (130.81.184.148) 2.839
> ms
> >> > 2.589 ms  2.443 ms
> >> >  3  P12-0-0.HRBGPA-LCR-02.verizon-gni.net (130.81.27.185)  14.880 ms
> >> > 14.614
> >> > ms  14.698 ms
> >> >  4  so-12-1-0-0.RES-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net (130.81.28.254) 14.647 ms
> >> > 14.696 ms  14.552 ms
> >> >  5  0.xe-3-1-1.BR1.IAD8.ALTER.NET (152.63.37.141)  15.027 ms 15.004
> ms
> >> > 15.064 ms
> >> >  6  te9-2-0d0.cir1.ashburn-va.us.xo.net (206.111.0.201)  38.517 ms
> >> > 36.033
> >> > ms  34.816 ms
> >> >  7  216.156.8.189.ptr.us.xo.net (216.156.8.189)  31.958 ms  30.994 ms
> >> > 29.194 ms
> >> >  8  209.48.42.86 (209.48.42.86)  124.931 ms  126.117 ms  124.303 ms
> >> >  9  208.117.251.184 (208.117.251.184)  26.483 ms  27.792 ms 27.974 ms
> >> >
> >> > [2.1-BETA0][root at pfsense]/root(2): traceroute
> >> > r15---sn-p5qlsm76.c.youtube.com
> >> > traceroute to r15.sn-p5qlsm76.c.youtube.com (208.117.251.148), 64
> hops
> >> > max,
> >> > 40 byte packets
> >> >  1  L100.HRBGPA-VFTTP-12.verizon-gni.net (98.117.0.1)  1.077 ms
> 0.863 ms
> >> > 0.968 ms
> >> >  2  G10-0-8-112.HRBGPA-LCR-01.verizon-gni.net (130.81.184.148) 2.429
> ms
> >> > 2.265 ms  2.456 ms
> >> >  3  P12-0-0.HRBGPA-LCR-02.verizon-gni.net (130.81.27.185)  14.788 ms
> >> > 14.666
> >> > ms  14.643 ms
> >> >  4  so-12-1-0-0.RES-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net (130.81.28.254) 14.591 ms
> >> > 14.479 ms  16.041 ms
> >> >  5  0.xe-10-0-0.BR2.IAD8.ALTER.NET (152.63.38.165)  15.007 ms 15.109
> ms
> >> > 14.975 ms
> >> >  6  144.232.8.209 (144.232.8.209)  187.038 ms  115.363 ms  117.669 ms
> >> >  7  sl-st31-ash-0-4-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.28.6)  116.263 ms
> >> >     sl-st31-ash-0-8-0-2.sprintlink.net (144.232.1.19)  116.491 ms
> >> >     sl-st31-ash-0-4-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.28.6)  116.934 ms
> >> >  8  sl-googl10-584821-0.sprintlink.net (144.228.205.34)  122.521 ms
> >> > 122.780
> >> > ms  121.535 ms
> >> >  9  208.117.251.148 (208.117.251.148)  33.669 ms  37.652 ms 38.478 ms
> >> >
> >> > [2.1-BETA0][root at pfsense]/root(6): traceroute
> >> > r10---sn-p5qlsm7l.c.youtube.com
> >> > traceroute to r10.sn-p5qlsm7l.c.youtube.com (208.117.251.47), 64 hops
> >> > max,
> >> > 40 byte packets
> >> >  1  L100.HRBGPA-VFTTP-12.verizon-gni.net (98.117.0.1)  1.159 ms
> 0.831 ms
> >> > 0.806 ms
> >> >  2  G9-0-4-212.HRBGPA-LCR-02.verizon-gni.net (130.81.139.126) 2.396
> ms
> >> > 2.435 ms  2.167 ms
> >> >  3  so-12-1-0-0.RES-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net (130.81.28.254) 14.497 ms
> >> > 14.767 ms  14.695 ms
> >> >  4  0.xe-11-0-0.BR2.IAD8.ALTER.NET (152.63.38.169)  15.001 ms 15.074
> ms
> >> > 15.024 ms
> >> >  5  144.232.8.209 (144.232.8.209)  118.582 ms  116.717 ms  113.669 ms
> >> >  6  sl-st31-ash-0-4-0-3.sprintlink.net (144.232.3.169)  114.433 ms
> >> > 117.698
> >> > ms
> >> >     sl-st31-ash-0-4-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.28.6)  115.981 ms
> >> >  7  sl-googl10-584821-0.sprintlink.net (144.228.205.34)  123.912 ms
> >> > 124.402
> >> > ms  125.384 ms
> >> >  8  208.117.251.47 (208.117.251.47)  30.591 ms  30.676 ms  29.528 ms
> >> >
> >> > Derek
> >> >
> >> > On 3/6/2013 8:31 PM, Grant Ridder wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Can any one provide traceroutes to youtube to see if there is any
> >> >> correlation between last mile providers?
> >> >>
> >> >> -Grant
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Derek Ivey <derek at derekivey.com
> >> >> <mailto:derek at derekivey.com>> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>     I don't think it's just Time Warner. Definitely looks like XO. I
> >> >> have
> >> >>     Verizon FiOS and it was pretty bad for me as well (not sure if it
> >> >>     still is
> >> >>     since I'm not home right now). There's also atleast two threads
> in
> >> >> the
> >> >>     Verizon FiOS section on Broadband Reports:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r28027601-Horrible-youtube-speeds
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r28071070-How-to-Reddit-YouTube-firewall-rule-with-MI424wr
> >> >>
> >> >>     Derek
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>     On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Rick Coloccia
> >> >>     <coloccia at geneseo.edu <mailto:coloccia at geneseo.edu>> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>     > I'd like to help, too, I'm from a TWC business class site with
> >> >>     650 Mbps
> >> >>     > bandwidth and still regularly poor performance with YouTube.
> >> >>     >
> >> >>     > -Rick
> >> >>     >
> >> >>     > Sent from my iPhone 4S
> >> >>     >
> >> >>     > On Mar 6, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Christopher Morrow
> >> >>     <morrowc.lists at gmail.com <mailto:morrowc.lists at gmail.com>>
> >> >>     > wrote:
> >> >>     >
> >> >>     > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Randy Carpenter
> >> >>     <rcarpen at network1.net <mailto:rcarpen at network1.net>>
> >> >>     > wrote:
> >> >>     > >>
> >> >>     > >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>     > >>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Randy Carpenter
> >> >>     > >>> <rcarpen at network1.net <mailto:rcarpen at network1.net>>
> wrote:
> >> >>     > >>>>
> >> >>     > >>>> We have recently been having some serious speed issues
> with
> >> >>     YouTube
> >> >>     > >>>> on our home connections, which are all Time Warner Cable.
> >> >>     > >>>> Some searching on forums and such revealed a work around:
> >> >>     > >>>>
> >> >>     > >>>> Block 206.111.0.0/16 <http://206.111.0.0/16> at the
> router.
> >> >>     > >>>
> >> >>     > >>> this was reported elsewhere... it seems odd, since that's
> XO
> >> >>     space,
> >> >>     > >>> not Google and not TWC space. Would you care to engage in
> >> >> some
> >> >>     > >>> troubleshooting to help everyone out? :)
> >> >>     > >>
> >> >>     > >> I'll be happy to help troubleshoot in any way I can.
> >> >>     > >
> >> >>     > > excellent.. I'll arrange my ducks, let's chat offlist?
> >> >>     > >
> >> >>     >
> >> >>     >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >
> >
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