Network Vendor suggestions/reviews, Arista Networks, Dell Force10, Juniper, Extreme Networks etc...

Wed Jun 19 01:27:34 UTC 2013

I'm exact opposite of Phil.  I love IOS and hate JunOS....for that
single reason, I'm really against buying Juniper in our shop for
pretty much anything.  :)

Still, to be fair, the hardware seems to be really, really stable and
well built.  I don't think we've had a failure across our Junipers in
the short time I've been with my day job.

As far as support goes...the only time we had issues with our Nexus
gear I was actually really, really disappointed with Cisco.  We were
upgrading our firmware, ran into some major issues with VPC and HSRP
due some firmware changes, and the Tac engineer we got sucked
*massive* lemons.  When I call Tac with a situation like this, I
expect someone who can code a working config from scratch based on the
old config, not someone who's going to sit there scratching his head,
running useless packet captures, and being silent when we ask
questions.  *sigh*

/rant off

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Phil Fagan <philfagan at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've had nothing but good luck with Juniper support and well with Cisco you
> pay for support too. I will say Arista support was great, however, I'm
> still hesitant to put them in full production; but I think that is lack of
> experience with them speaking.
>
> Do the bake off in your lab and let'm run!
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Blake Pfankuch - Mailing List <
> blake.mailinglist at pfankuch.me> wrote:
>
>>  Let me also clarify, Price per port is not the final deciding factor.
>> We are looking much more at a combination of daily operational sanity,
>> troubleshooting features, operational feature set, vendor support quality
>> and price.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Support is absolute key.  When we need help, we need help quickly and
>> knowledgeable support.  The name checkpoint comes to mind when I think of
>> something I DON’T want for support quality.  It also causes nausea…****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thanks,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Blake****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Phil Fagan [mailto:philfagan at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:08 PM
>> *To:* Blake Pfankuch - Mailing List
>> *Cc:* NANOG (nanog at nanog.org)
>> *Subject:* Re: Network Vendor suggestions/reviews, Arista Networks, Dell
>> Force10, Juniper, Extreme Networks etc...****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I love JUNOS, don't really care for IOS. I really trust Cisco and
>> Juniper's hardware, with that being said Arista is your best bet for
>> cheapest port. I've only seen Arista in lab, not in the wild yet so I can't
>> speak for how I would trust them. You mention getting bit by single sups, I
>> believe as of late Arista has had issue with OSPF failover time between
>> dual-sups in HA setups.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I used to have a Dell laptop....but I'm sure their great too. In the end
>> for me I only trust Cisco or Juniper. I've been burnt by Foundry and am
>> waiting to on Arista. ****
>>
>> ** **
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>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Blake Pfankuch - Mailing List <
>> blake.mailinglist at pfankuch.me> wrote:****
>>
>> Howdy,
>>                 I have been working on a proposal for the organization I
>> work for to move into the 10gbit datacenter.  We have a small datacenter
>> currently of about 1000 ports of 1gbit.  We have traditionally been a full
>> Cisco shop, however I was asked to do a price comparison as well as
>> features with other major alternative vendors.  I was also asked to do some
>> digging as far as what "the real world" thinks about these possible vendors.
>>
>> We currently have 2 Cisco 6509's with 8 48 port cards Sup 3BXL, 2 Cisco
>> 4506 with 5x 48 port card and Sup V's and 2 4900M switches providing 10gbit
>> to a very specialized implementation.  With all of our technology, we try
>> to not be bleeding edge, but oozing edge.  We need 5 9's or more of uptime
>> yearly so stability is preferable to cool features.  We currently have
>> single supervisors in all of our switches (not my decision) and it has bit
>> us recently.  Everything we are looking at needs to support NSF/SSO/VSS of
>> some kind.
>>
>> What we have been looking to replace it with in Cisco world is Nexus 7004
>> Core and Nexus 5596UP with 2200 series Fabric extenders for Dist/Access as
>> well as 2200 Fabric Extenders within our Dell Blade Chassis.  Realistically
>> we will be under 800 ports of 10gbit (excluding Blades) which puts us in a
>> tough spot from what I can find.  Currently everything we have is EOR,
>> however TOR would make more sense allowing us to switch to SFP+ twinax
>> connectivity to servers.
>>
>> With this in mind, I have a few questions...
>>
>> It was mandated that I look at a company "Arista Networks" and investigate
>> possible options.  I had not heard much about them, so I look to the
>> experts.  Pro's and Con's?  Real world experience?  Looks to me they have a
>> lot of cool features, but I'm slightly concerned with how new they might
>> be, how reliable it would be as well as their QA/bugfix history.  Also 24x4
>> support and hardware replacement.  Everything in our datacenter currently
>> has a 2 or 4 hour cisco contract on it and critical core components have a
>> cold spare in inventory.
>>
>> Dell Force 10... I know Dell tries to get you to drink the Koolaid on this
>> solution, I was a former Dell Partner and they even pushed me to get demo
>> equipment going...  What's the experience with their chassis switches?
>>  Stability?  Configuration sanity?  What do people like?  What do people
>> hate?
>>
>> Juniper.  What do people like? What do people hate?  Have the Layer 2
>> issues of historical age gone away?  Is the config still xml ish?  It has
>> been about 5 years since I worked with anything Juniper.
>>
>> Extreme networks.  I know very little about them historically.  What is
>> good, what is bad?  Is the config sane?
>>
>> I would be happy to compile any information I find, as well as our
>> sanitized internal conclusions.  On and off list responses welcome.
>>
>> If there is another vendor anyone would suggest, please add them to the
>> list with similarly asked questions.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Blake****
>>
>>
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>> ****
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>> ** **
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>> -- ****
>>
>> Phil Fagan****
>>
>> Denver, CO****
>>
>> 970-480-7618****
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> Phil Fagan
> Denver, CO
> 970-480-7618

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