PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

Sun Jun 9 02:58:42 UTC 2013

I don't need any wire tapping or decrypting.
Let's say I want to see all NANOG emails, I just need to call Larry Page's
CSO office and someone will send me a copy.
of course I can't give you any evidence, how could I?
Does it make sense?

On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 10:44 AM, ku po <cciehelps at gmail.com> wrote:

> What is the point to argue whether they have the capacity to process all
> the data?
> They DON'T need to build expensive systems.
> They just need to make sure when they ask your company for information,
> these information are available for them and fast enough.
> So the statement that saying "we don't give them direct access" means
> nothing!!!
> The right question is IS THERE A DIRECT CHANNEL for them to ask you for
> information without providing all the evidence( how could they show you all
> the evidence when it is security related??),  which you can't deny their
> access.
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> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 8:20 AM, James Harrison <james at talkunafraid.co.uk>wrote:
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>> On 08/06/2013 16:31, William Herrin wrote:
>> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:25 AM, jamie rishaw <j at arpa.com> wrote:
>> >> Just wait until we find out dark and lit private fiber is getting
>> >> vampired.
>> >
>> > Why wait?
>> >
>> > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/20/politics/20submarine.html?_r=0
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>> > -Bill
>> >
>>
>> In a similar vein, a new PRISM slide was released by the Guardian this
>> morning:
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>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-prism-server-collection-facebook-google
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>> Doesn't specifically say private fiber - just "fiber cables and
>> infrastructure". May just refer to fiber to/from/within complying
>> company infrastructure, ofc, not necessarily anything else.
>>
>> They also apparently have a web 2.0 compliant dashboard with a catchy
>> name and pop-ups with big numbers in: Boundless Informant.
>>
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>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-boundless-informant-global-datamining
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>> Speaking from the other side of the pond it's interesting to see where
>> this is going. GCHQ (the UK NSA equivalent) are being asked stern
>> questions by the government about their involvement and if they've
>> been asking the NSA for UK citizens' data (since they're not allowed
>> to collect it themselves).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> James Harrison
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