ARIN WHOIS for leads

Fri Jul 26 19:01:55 UTC 2013

NANOG : network operators are precisely those who directly assisted in creating the 'magic lamp' and the cork which held the marketing Jeanie inside. The same operators who took the cork out and rubbed the 'magic lamp'... The Jeanie is now out of the bottle and you all are complaining about it, all the while creating new magic, more lamps and more Jeanie's... Go figure. NANOG complaining about being harassed by the marketing technologies it has created...

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> From: David Conrad <drc at virtualized.org>
>To: Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick at ianai.net> 
>Cc: NANOG list <nanog at nanog.org> 
>Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 11:40 AM
>Subject: Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads
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>Patrick,
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>On Jul 26, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick at ianai.net> wrote:
>>> Err. ICANN isn't a membership organization. It is possible to change things at ICANN, but the mechanisms are ... different and much slower (since it involves getting consensus in a multi-stakeholder environment).
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>> Sure it is, the membership is just very .. uh .. selective. :)
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>> "Stakeholder" is just a fancy way of saying "member". They vote, things change.
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>You appear to be using a rather ... expansive definition of the word 'member'.
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>> Like I said, this is _exactly_ what Ryan wanted. Only the "anointed" get to decide things. Works out well, doesn't it?
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>In the sense that the ones who actively participate, scream the loudest, lobby the most, etc., get to decide things, I suppose one could say it works out.  However, since anyone can actively participate, scream, lobby, etc., I'm not sure how that can be described as "only the anointed get to decide things".
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>Regards,
>-drc
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