NANOG Digest, Vol 66, Issue 60

Wed Jul 24 16:11:12 UTC 2013

+1 on the Cyclades (Avocent). We have about 8 of them spread across 3 data centers. We've used them for roughly 4-5 years. Won't say they are intuitive to set up, but once they are, they work well. Don't think I've seen one go down, but then again, they aren't subject to much change. Cost was pretty reasonable, but that's relative to your business/budget.

-CWB

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Today's Topics:

   1. 48V DC Terminal server recommendations (Jeremy Bresley)
   2. Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations (William Herrin)
   3. RE: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations (Warren Bailey)
   4. Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations (Michael Brown)
   5. Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations (Joe Hamelin)
   6. Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations (Warren Bailey)
   7. Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations (Ian Goodall)
   8. Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations (david peahi)
   9. Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations (Tim Jackson)
  10. Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations (Jay Ashworth)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 09:59:41 -0500
From: Jeremy Bresley <brez at brezworks.com>
To: nanog at nanog.org
Subject: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations
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Looking for recommendations on a good terminal server to put into a telco colocate facility.

Requirements:
8-16 ports for Cisco console access (RJ-45s preferred, DB9s if we have to) -48V DC power USB/internal modem for OOB access NEBS Level 1 (or better) compliance.

So far I've found Perle has several models that meet 3 out of 4, but none that meet all the requirements.  The only OpenGear boxes we're seeing with DC power is a little 4 port unit and they don't mention NEBS compliance.  Lantronix mentions DC power for their SLC line, but doesn't mention anything about NEBS compliance either.

Anybody have any recommendations for one they've used that meets all 4 of those requirements?

Thanks!

Jeremy "TheBrez" Bresley
brez at brezworks.com

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 11:08:46 -0400
From: William Herrin <bill at herrin.us>
To: Jeremy Bresley <brez at brezworks.com>
Cc: nanog at nanog.org
Subject: Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations
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On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Jeremy Bresley <brez at brezworks.com> wrote:
> Looking for recommendations on a good terminal server to put into a
> telco colocate facility.
>
> Requirements:
> 8-16 ports for Cisco console access (RJ-45s preferred, DB9s if we have
> to) -48V DC power USB/internal modem for OOB access NEBS Level 1 (or
> better) compliance.

Hi Jeremy,

Have you considered the obvious: a Cisco 2610/2811 or equivalent with a 16 port async NM card, an analog modem WIC card and a DC power supply? I didn't see it on the list of things you'd considered.

Regards,
Bill Herrin

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3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:14:53 +0000
From: Warren Bailey <wbailey at satelliteintelligencegroup.com>
To: Jeremy Bresley <brez at brezworks.com>, "nanog at nanog.org"
        <nanog at nanog.org>
Subject: RE: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations
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Uplogix.

Sent from my Mobile Device.

-------- Original message --------
From: Jeremy Bresley <brez at brezworks.com>
Date: 07/24/2013 8:02 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: nanog at nanog.org
Subject: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations

Looking for recommendations on a good terminal server to put into a
telco colocate facility.

Requirements:
8-16 ports for Cisco console access (RJ-45s preferred, DB9s if we have to)
-48V DC power
USB/internal modem for OOB access
NEBS Level 1 (or better) compliance.

So far I've found Perle has several models that meet 3 out of 4, but
none that meet all the requirements.  The only OpenGear boxes we're
seeing with DC power is a little 4 port unit and they don't mention NEBS
compliance.  Lantronix mentions DC power for their SLC line, but doesn't
mention anything about NEBS compliance either.

Anybody have any recommendations for one they've used that meets all 4
of those requirements?

Thanks!

Jeremy "TheBrez" Bresley
brez at brezworks.com

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 11:14:58 -0400
From: Michael Brown <michael at supermathie.net>
To: Jeremy Bresley <brez at brezworks.com>
Cc: nanog at nanog.org
Subject: Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations
Message-ID: <51EFEF72.3010008 at supermathie.net>
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On 13-07-24 10:59 AM, Jeremy Bresley wrote:
> Looking for recommendations on a good terminal server to put into a
> telco colocate facility.
>
> Requirements:
> 8-16 ports for Cisco console access (RJ-45s preferred, DB9s if we have
> to)
> -48V DC power
> USB/internal modem for OOB access
> NEBS Level 1 (or better) compliance.
>
Avocent's (formerly Cyclades) ACS devices meet all of your constraints:

http://www.emersonnetworkpower.com/documents/en-us/brands/avocent/documents/datasheets/01/acs6000-ds-en.pdf

M.

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Systems Administrator    | to fit the machine.  He adjusts the machine
michael at supermathie.net  | until it behaves properly.  With a hammer,
                         | if necessary.  - Brian

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 08:18:08 -0700
From: Joe Hamelin <joe at nethead.com>
To: Jeremy Bresley <brez at brezworks.com>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog at nanog.org>
Subject: Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations
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I guess Cyclades is now Avocent, used these at Clearwire.  Can come with
dual 48VDC supplies.  Think of a 48 serial port Linux box.  Has PCM/CIA
slot for modem.  Multiple users can be logged in at the same time.

http://www.emersonnetworkpower.com/en-US/Products/InfrastructureManagement/SerialConsoles/Pages/AvocentACS6000AdvancedConsoleServer.aspx

--
Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Tulalip, WA, 360-474-7474

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Jeremy Bresley <brez at brezworks.com> wrote:

> Looking for recommendations on a good terminal server to put into a telco
> colocate facility.
>
> Requirements:
> 8-16 ports for Cisco console access (RJ-45s preferred, DB9s if we have to)
> -48V DC power
> USB/internal modem for OOB access
> NEBS Level 1 (or better) compliance.
>
> So far I've found Perle has several models that meet 3 out of 4, but none
> that meet all the requirements.  The only OpenGear boxes we're seeing with
> DC power is a little 4 port unit and they don't mention NEBS compliance.
>  Lantronix mentions DC power for their SLC line, but doesn't mention
> anything about NEBS compliance either.
>
> Anybody have any recommendations for one they've used that meets all 4 of
> those requirements?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeremy "TheBrez" Bresley
> brez at brezworks.com
>
>

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:31:55 +0000
From: Warren Bailey <wbailey at satelliteintelligencegroup.com>
To: Joe Hamelin <joe at nethead.com>, Jeremy Bresley <brez at brezworks.com>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog at nanog.org>
Subject: Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations
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We used these quite a bit. Uplogix has some interesting automation, and the phone line/OOB is pretty slick. One cool thing about uplogix is it has a surgical rollback feature. You can set many different conditions and rules, and the router will dutifully execute a fall back procedure automatically. We had a switch plugged in, and I did a port range and added "shut" to all of the ports. Once they all went down, uplogix noticed and after a pre defined time it went back in and restored to the last known good configuration. If these bells and whistles don't blow your skirt up, check out the website.

Sent from my Mobile Device.

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From: Joe Hamelin <joe at nethead.com>
Date: 07/24/2013 8:23 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Jeremy Bresley <brez at brezworks.com>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog at nanog.org>
Subject: Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations

I guess Cyclades is now Avocent, used these at Clearwire.  Can come with
dual 48VDC supplies.  Think of a 48 serial port Linux box.  Has PCM/CIA
slot for modem.  Multiple users can be logged in at the same time.

http://www.emersonnetworkpower.com/en-US/Products/InfrastructureManagement/SerialConsoles/Pages/AvocentACS6000AdvancedConsoleServer.aspx

--
Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Tulalip, WA, 360-474-7474

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Jeremy Bresley <brez at brezworks.com> wrote:

> Looking for recommendations on a good terminal server to put into a telco
> colocate facility.
>
> Requirements:
> 8-16 ports for Cisco console access (RJ-45s preferred, DB9s if we have to)
> -48V DC power
> USB/internal modem for OOB access
> NEBS Level 1 (or better) compliance.
>
> So far I've found Perle has several models that meet 3 out of 4, but none
> that meet all the requirements.  The only OpenGear boxes we're seeing with
> DC power is a little 4 port unit and they don't mention NEBS compliance.
>  Lantronix mentions DC power for their SLC line, but doesn't mention
> anything about NEBS compliance either.
>
> Anybody have any recommendations for one they've used that meets all 4 of
> those requirements?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeremy "TheBrez" Bresley
> brez at brezworks.com
>
>

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 16:34:55 +0100
From: Ian Goodall <nanog at ijg.me.uk>
To: Jeremy Bresley <brez at brezworks.com>
Cc: nanog at nanog.org
Subject: Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations
Message-ID: <29BEACC0-02EB-43BF-BF32-6935A1C5B847 at ijg.me.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

On 24 Jul 2013, at 15:59, Jeremy Bresley <brez at brezworks.com> wrote:

> The only OpenGear boxes we're seeing with DC power is a little 4 port unit and they don't mention NEBS compliance.  Lantronix mentions DC power for their SLC line, but doesn't mention anything about NEBS compliance either.

Not sure about NEBS but we use the Opengear IM4200 range which meet your other requirements:

http://opengear.com/product-im4200.html

-48v and Cisco pinout available.

I guess the small 4 port units you found were the ACM5000s. These come with an external transformer which is a pain to rack mount unlike the larger IM4200.

Avocent were good when I used them a few years ago but very expensive.

Ian

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 08:49:25 -0700
From: david peahi <davidpeahi at gmail.com>
To: Jeremy Bresley <brez at brezworks.com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog at nanog.org>
Subject: Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations
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We have used the Avocent console/power terminal servers for several years.
Although the browser interface is cluttered, and the use of Java sometimes
poses connectivity challengesm Avocent is a useful console server for all
types of devices, and has the ability to remotely power-cycle AC and DC
devices.
Avocent devices meet your specs (-48V PS, NEBS compliance).

Regards,

David

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Jeremy Bresley <brez at brezworks.com> wrote:

> Looking for recommendations on a good terminal server to put into a telco
> colocate facility.
>
> Requirements:
> 8-16 ports for Cisco console access (RJ-45s preferred, DB9s if we have to)
> -48V DC power
> USB/internal modem for OOB access
> NEBS Level 1 (or better) compliance.
>
> So far I've found Perle has several models that meet 3 out of 4, but none
> that meet all the requirements.  The only OpenGear boxes we're seeing with
> DC power is a little 4 port unit and they don't mention NEBS compliance.
>  Lantronix mentions DC power for their SLC line, but doesn't mention
> anything about NEBS compliance either.
>
> Anybody have any recommendations for one they've used that meets all 4 of
> those requirements?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeremy "TheBrez" Bresley
> brez at brezworks.com
>
>

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 08:52:35 -0700
From: Tim Jackson <jackson.tim at gmail.com>
To: Jeremy Bresley <brez at brezworks.com>
Cc: nanog list <nanog at nanog.org>
Subject: Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations
Message-ID:
        <CAK19Y1cH71Oionm02BOmYOpOFdADV7iQ6vncQpHBMpWLfEkBKA at mail.gmail.com>
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Digi TS-16 Works well, but doesn't have USB/modem..

MRV's LX line meets all of that, but I've had mixed issues with
reliability with them..

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Jeremy Bresley <brez at brezworks.com> wrote:
> Looking for recommendations on a good terminal server to put into a telco
> colocate facility.
>
> Requirements:
> 8-16 ports for Cisco console access (RJ-45s preferred, DB9s if we have to)
> -48V DC power
> USB/internal modem for OOB access
> NEBS Level 1 (or better) compliance.
>
> So far I've found Perle has several models that meet 3 out of 4, but none
> that meet all the requirements.  The only OpenGear boxes we're seeing with
> DC power is a little 4 port unit and they don't mention NEBS compliance.
> Lantronix mentions DC power for their SLC line, but doesn't mention anything
> about NEBS compliance either.
>
> Anybody have any recommendations for one they've used that meets all 4 of
> those requirements?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeremy "TheBrez" Bresley
> brez at brezworks.com
>

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 11:57:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jay Ashworth <jra at baylink.com>
To: NANOG <nanog at nanog.org>
Subject: Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations
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        <3437569.1986.1374681458084.JavaMail.root at benjamin.baylink.com>
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeremy Bresley" <brez at brezworks.com>

> NEBS Level 1 (or better) compliance.

Do you require NEBS "compliance" or the much more expensive still "NEBS
certification"?

Cheers,
-- jra
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St Petersburg FL USA               #natog                      +1 727 647 1274

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