One of our own in the Guardian.

Nick Guy nickguy at
Mon Jul 15 15:53:01 UTC 2013

Many of the Washington state PUDs very early in the day took on the charge of delivering "broadband" to places that the telco's did  not see ROI for.  It did and still does make sense to deliver fiber along with power to the home but that is the kind of long term thinking that can be costly up front for future improved quality of life.  Nice to see some acknowledgement on the list of that vision.

 Nick Guy   | Network Architecture | NoaNet | nickguy at|  

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Bergman [mailto:Rbergma at] 
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 8:34 AM
To: Warren Bailey; Constantine A. Murenin; Jeff Kell
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Subject: RE: One of our own in the Guardian.

I'm happy to say we did not use federal or state money to build the fiber or the network in Grant County.  There is some of that floating around us though. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Warren Bailey [mailto:wbailey at]
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 12:37 PM
To: Constantine A. Murenin; Jeff Kell
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Subject: Re: One of our own in the Guardian.

I would imagine this cheap rural fiber showed up after the RUS stimulus? A former employer (GCI, in Anchorage Alaska) received quite a bit of money in the form of a grant/loan for a rural fiber network (I think they may have received the largest of all grants). Would be interesting to know how much of this was as a result of dot gov funding.

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-------- Original message --------
From: "Constantine A. Murenin" <mureninc at>
Date: 07/14/2013 10:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Jeff Kell <jeff-kell at>
Cc: nanog at
Subject: Re: One of our own in the Guardian.

On 14 July 2013 10:11, Jeff Kell <jeff-kell at> wrote:
> On 7/13/2013 10:15 PM, Jima wrote:
>> On 2013-07-13 14:44, Bill Woodcock wrote:
>>> rivacy-nsa
>>  I can happily state that XMission is my home ISP, with UTOPIA 
>> (city-involved fiber optic provider) as the local loop.  (Really, who 
>> has 100/100 at home?)
> A whole lot of folks in Chattanooga...
> 100Mb symmetric is $69/mo, 250Mb is $139, 1Gbit is $299
> Largely Alcatel/Lucent GPON.  Business rates considerably higher :) 
> They are one of our providers and we aren't "metered".  I don't know 
> how they're handling domestic rates / quotas.

There are a number of 100/100 under $100/mo providers in the US, but most of them are concentrated in various rural areas.

I've tried maintaining an up-to-date list of providers with reasonable offers at, but lately haven't had the time to keep on updating it.


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