OOB core router connectivity wish list

Sat Jan 12 00:24:45 UTC 2013

Sure.  I assume it on real wire centers, I don't on RSUs or carrier.  Luckily it's easy to tell which is which, in most cases.

Walter Keen <walter.keen at rainierconnect.net> wrote:

>In the US, any incumbent phone carrier (ILEC), is required to have POTS
>lines on a power infrastructure capable of sustaining at least an 8
>hour interruption in commercial power, whether it's in a remote or
>central office. Most companies use batteries at remotes (and put
>portable generators out when needed) and have permanent generators at
>central offices 
>
>
>I know this is not the exact wording, but in the US at least, it's
>required by the FCC. I can't remember if competitive local exchange
>carriers (CLEC) have the same requirements. 
>
>Your local carrier may or may not be in compliance with having
>(battery/generator) there to sustain 8 hours of operation, and I doubt
>they would tell you details of their power systems. 
>
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>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: "Jay Ashworth" <jra at baylink.com> 
>To: "Walter Keen" <walter.keen at rainierconnect.net>, "William Herrin"
><bill at herrin.us> 
>Cc: "NANOG" <nanog at nanog.org> 
>Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 4:09:25 PM 
>Subject: Re: OOB core router connectivity wish list 
>
>The issue wasn't diversity, it was "is my POTS on Central Battery";
>sorry for the comparative red herring. 
>- jra 
>
>
>Walter Keen <walter.keen at rainierconnect.net> wrote: 
>
>
>I work for a rural Telecom in northwest US. 
>
>
>Typically when I hear statements like that, it's that the tech built
>(strung aerially, trenched through ground, or through buried conduit)
>from a pedestal or other copper splice point to the customer premise. 
>
>
>I would only expect this to go to the nearest remote terminal, or
>central office if there is no rem ote terminal. In a lot of (rural)
>cases, there is no direct copper between most houses and the central
>office, instead they have to (in most cases, depending on what copper
>cabling is available you are only able to reach one remote) cable you
>to the closest remote that has equipment, where you are aggregated and
>back-hauled (typically via fiber, but sometimes by T1) to the central
>office. 
>
>
>If someone wanted completely physical diversity, up to the point of the
>CO, you would have to ask (likely a few times, and possibly being
>escalated to an engineering department of sorts) if your new POTS line
>can be homed to a different remote, or directly to the CO, ideally on a
>different physical cable route, assuming your goal is backhoe
>diversity. 
>
>
>For a business line, they may be willing to work with you on diversity
>requirements. 
>
>
>About the only way to guess if you're connected to a RSU or directly to
>the CO, you would have to know where the CO is, guess the approximate
>copper distance to it (which may involve guessing the approximate path
>the cable goes) and then hook up some equipment to your POTS line that
>measures and estimates the distance of that copper pair. Then you can
>guess where you might be connected to. 
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>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: "William Herrin" <bill at herrin.us> 
>< b>To: "Jay Ashworth" <jra at baylink.com> 
>Cc: "NANOG" <nanog at nanog.org> 
>Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 2:30:48 PM 
>Subject: Re: OOB core router connectivity wish list 
>
>On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Jay Ashworth <jra at baylink.com> wrote: 
>> You are suggesting that it is *at all* difficult for a technically
>competent 
>> end-user to determine whether a given new POTS line will go to a CO
>or to an RSU? 
>
>Well, let me treat this as an opportunity to learn. How does one 
>arrange for a POTS line ordered from the telco to travel its own 
>dedicated copper pair all the way back to the central office building 
>if the the tech tells you he only built it from one of the local holes 
>in the ground? 
>
>Regards, 
>Bill Herrin 
>
>
>
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