The Making of a Router

Ray Soucy rps at
Sat Dec 28 01:51:14 UTC 2013

On a side note, Q-in-Q support has been added to the recent 3.10 Linux
kernel, configured using the "ip" command.  It will be popping up in
distributions "soon [tm]".  Another interesting addition is IPv6 NAT
(transparent redirect, prefix translation, etc).

On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Baldur Norddahl
<baldur.norddahl at>wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 12:56 AM, Jon Sands <fohdeesha at> wrote:
> > Yes, and in that world, one should probably not start up a FTTH ISP when
> > one has not even budgeted for a router, among a thousand other things.
> And
> > if you must, you should probably figure out your cost breakdown
> beforehand,
> > not after. Baldur, you mention $200k total to move 10gb with Juniper
> (which
> > seems insanely off to me). Look into Brocades CER line, you can move 4x
> > 10gbe per chassis for under 12k.
> >
> I was saying $100k for two Juniper routers total.
> Perhaps we could get back on track, instead of trying to second guess what
> we did or did not budget for. You have absolute no information about our
> business plans.
> The Brocade BR-CER-2024F-4X-RT-AC - Brocade NetIron CER 2024F-4X goes for
> about $21k and we need two of them. That is enough to buy a full year of
> unlimited 10G internet. And even then, we would be short on 10G ports.
> It is not that we could not bring that money if that was the only way to do
> it. It is just that I have so many other things that I could spend that
> money on, that would further our business plans so much more.
> I can not even say if the Juniper or the Brocade will actually solve my
> problem. I need it to route to ten of thousands of VLANS (Q-in-Q), both
> with IPv4 and IPv6. It needs to act as IPv6 router on every VLAN, and very
> few devices seems to like having that many IP-addresses assigned. It also
> needs to do VRRP and proxy arp for every VLAN.
> The advantage of a software solution is that I can test it all before
> buying. Also to some limited degree, I am able to fix shortcomings myself.
> Regards,
> Baldur

Ray Patrick Soucy
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University of Maine System

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