Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

Christopher Morrell christopher.morrell.nanog at
Wed Aug 21 03:02:06 UTC 2013

The old generation QIX (in Montreal) has been around a long time as an IXP where commercial players have been present. It was managed and operated by RISQ (a research network) but most of the members were commercial. 

The new generation of QIX is managed much like TorIX and continues to be operated by RISQ.  There really isn't much new about the QIX other than how it is managed. It has always welcomed commercial players. 

In Winnipeg, isn't there also the WPGIX? Do you have two competing IXPs in Winnipeg?


On 2013-08-20, at 16:42, Jonathan Stewart <jonathan.stewart at> wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Randy Bush <randy at> wrote:
>>> As you may know CIRA has been working with groups across Canada to
>>> establish new IXPs.
>> wow!  i thought there were a lot of ixps, torix, vantx, ...
> Canada is geographically enormous. Long-haul transit is therefore costly,
> and controlled by few big players. Not good for local ISPs.
> You named 2 IXPs, and only got one right. A year ago, there were two
> active: TORIX in Toronto, and OTTIX in Ottawa.  Ottawa is too close to
> Toronto to have an impact, so OTTIX has remained small.  Having only 2 open
> IXPs, 400 km apart in a country 5000 km wide is not good enough.
> Since then, QIX in Montreal has opened up from a research-only IXP, to a
> neutral peering facility.  MBIX in Winnipeg has started, and YYCIX in
> Calgary is up and running as well.  Vancouver is still lacking.
> are these open, neutral, ixps, a la six etc?  or big players trying to
>> save the internet from itself?
> I can speak for MBIX in Winnipeg, I'm part of the group working to get it
> fully operational.
> We are open, neutral. Any AS can become a member, and we are run openly by
> a board, elected by the members of the exchange.
> We have route servers, and direct peering is permitted as well.  Costs are
> yearly, per-member, and low: $1200/yr.  CIRA's donations have been pivotal
> in kickstarting this exchange with low cash costs. A couple of local ISPs
> have also donated to got this project started.
> Currently, the aforementioned established big players are not at all
> interested in our exchange, they don't talk to us.  Only exception is
> Hurricane Electric, who recently joined, dropping wholesale bandwidth costs
> in Winnipeg *dramatically*.
> would some of the *local* providers in the areas who actually use the
>> cira ixen care to report on the experience?
> I don't count as an operator, but so far, the connected members are
> learning much more about BGP and traffic flows, and interconnecting in ways
> never before possible in Winnipeg.
> BTW, in Winnipeg we still have the problem of cross-continent traffic paths
> to send data across the street.  Worst case is something like this:
> Winnipeg--Chicago--Toronto--Vancouver--Calgary--Winnipeg. That's a 15,000
> km round trip.  MBIX can help with that.
> Our website for the curious:
> -- 
>     Jonathan

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