"It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM

Wed Apr 24 16:59:50 UTC 2013

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Lee Howard <Lee at asgard.org> wrote:
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> On 4/24/13 10:18 AM, "Andrew Latham" <lathama at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>* Tore
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>>On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Tore Anderson <tore at fud.no> wrote:
>>> * Andrew Latham
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>>>> I have sadly witnessed a growing number of businesses with /24s
>>>> moving to colocation/aws networks and not giving up their unused
>>>> network space. I assume this will come into play soon.
>>>
>>> A couple of /24s being returned wouldn't make a significant difference
>>> when it comes to IPv4 depletion. Heck, not even a couple of /8s would.
>>> Trying to reclaim and redistribute unused space would be a tremendous
>>> waste of effort.
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>>If I can walk around a smallish town and point at 5 businesses like
>>this its a possible solution.  I am not claiming a few /24s will do, I
>>am claiming that there are many (for larger values of many) companies
>>like this.
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> Look at NRO statistics prior to APNIC and RIPE final /8 (runout).  It's
> pretty linear growth. Is that the real demand for IPv4 addresses?  In the
> last couple of years it was 10-15 /8 equivalents.
>
> How many addresses do you think can be released (whether reclaimed or, as
> is more likely, brought into the market)?  A /8?  Five /8s?  Say it's a
> billion addresses made available to a market.  That only feeds demand for
> 18-30 months.
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> A demand curve would show that as prices increase, there is demand for
> fewer IPv4 addresses.  However, nobody knows the slope of the curve (other
> than my speculation about cost of IPv6 and TCO of CGN as points where the
> demand shifts).  A supply curve would show that as prices increase, more
> addresses become available (transfers, renumbering, eventually
> substitution).  I'm working on ideas about that slope.
>
> Lee

Lee

Totally agree, your point is the larger issue at hand, just pointing
out and ugly issue that I witnessed recently.  Corporate networks and
ASNs totally off and not in use.  But don't worry, they will use them
if someone tries to take them away.

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