Verizon DSL moving to CGN

Tue Apr 9 04:01:08 UTC 2013

On Apr 8, 2013, at 20:23 , "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <rajiva at cisco.com> wrote:

> I agree. Apple does it really well, no doubt about it. This is because
> they control both the software and hardware.
> 
> Google/Android çan not do it well enough, since the Android OS version
> compatibility with the hardware is somewhat dictated by the hardware
> manufacturer. This isn't always helpful. :-(
> 

But they can actually push pretty well if they had some killer app. that everyone
used and could supply some update that nobody could live without on said
killer app.

Then you just need to flag said update as "requires Android version X" and
poof... All the pressure you need to get everyone running droid up to X.
(Including all the pressure needed to get consumers to push the device
maker.)

> 	For ex, there are numerous android apps that are not supported
> 	on many android devices. :=(
> 

They must not be very important to the bulk of the android users.

> Anyway, this is why I think that dual-stack home networks (and UEs) will
> be with us for a long time.
> 

I don't doubt that dual-stack home networks will be with us for a long time.
What won't be with us for very long is routing IPv4 across service providers.
It can't. It will become far too expensive to do so. The economics aren't going
to work much past about 5 years, maybe 10 if we're really unlucky.

Owen

> Cheers,
> Rajiv
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
> Date: Monday, April 8, 2013 8:52 PM
> To: Rajiv Asati <rajiva at cisco.com>
> Cc: Fabien Delmotte <fdelmotte1 at mac.com>, nanog list <nanog at nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: Verizon DSL moving to CGN
> 
>> 
>> On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:54 , Rajiv Asati (rajiva) <rajiva at cisco.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Like you, I would like to be optimistic about many v4-only apps and
>>> v4-only devices becoming dual-stack sooner than later.
>>> 
>>> But knowing that a significant (50%+) of android devices may not support
>>> IPv6 (just like my brand new Samsung Galaxy 7'' tablet (just bought over
>>> the weekend) being v4-only) and may not be upgraded by their users to
>>> the
>>> right software, and that Skype etc. apps are out there, my optimism
>>> fades
>>> away.
>> 
>> The upgrade problem isn't that hard to solve. As soon as users want to use
>> something that doesn't work without the upgrade, the upgrades get
>> installed.
>> 
>> Apple does a great job of this...
>> 
>> Every time they release an iOS upgrade I really don't want, they manage to
>> also release an update to software that I do care about. That software
>> update
>> inherently requires me to accept the iOS upgrade.
>> 
>> Owen
>> 