Big Temporary Networks

William Herrin bill at
Tue Sep 18 21:38:57 UTC 2012

On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Naslund, Steve <SNaslund at> wrote:
> The trick is that there is no "right to work" if you are a guest at the
> hotel.  You have no right to work on their property without their
> consent.  In reality, the hotels do not want union headaches so that is
> the way it goes.

IIRC when the Democatic National Convention was held in Denver in
2008, they had to strike a special deal with the venue to bring in
union labor instead of the normal workers because they couldn't find a
suitable place that was already union.

Conversely, when I went to IETF in Minneapolis a few years ago the
networking folks simply took over the hotel network for the week. IETF
attendee or not, you got wired Internet in your room courtesy of the
conference. As I understand it, they convinced the hotel with the
simple expedient of paying what they would ordinarily earn from a
week's Internet charges.

My point is that blaming union contracts or union anything for being
unable to find a place to hold a convention where you can implement
the network you want to implement is nonsense. NANOG, ARIN and IETF
conferences have all somehow managed to implement their own effective
networks. Even in union towns. If Worldcon's site selection committee
can't find a suitable host, that's their deficiency.

Bill Herrin

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