[tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

Fri Nov 30 22:04:32 UTC 2012

On 11/30/2012 03:30 PM, Naslund, Steve wrote:
> WAIT A SECOND HERE!?!?
>
> I just read below that this guy runs a large ISP in Austria.  I thought
> his Tor node was hosted with an external provider.  If he runs the ISP,
> why would he not host his own server in house?  I suppose there are
> reasons but I can't think of one, especially if you feel so strongly
> about this being your right.
>
> He talks about moving it to another ISP in the article interviewing him.
> How about moving it to the large ISP you run?
>
> If he runs a large ISP he must not be very good at it if he needs our
> donations to help him defend himself from a crime he has not been
> charged with yet.  Most of the guys I know that run large ISPs have
> legal guys available to them.  They could also come up with 10000EUR if
> necessary.
>
> What is he going to do with this money if no charges are filed and they
> give his gear back?  If he believes that he is innocent of any crime
> then he should be confident they won't find anything to charge him with,
> right?
>
>>> If convicted i could face up to 6 years in jail, of course i do not
>>> want that and i also want to try to set a legal base for running Tor
>>> exit nodes in Austria or even the EU.
>>>
> Six years in jail for what?  They didn't arrest you yet.  How do you
> know what the charges are?  The cops must not be too worried about the
> Tor node if they did not seize it.  They seem a lot more interested in
> his personal storage devices.  He seems to have a lot of data at home,
> not illegal (possibly) but I am wondering what it all might be.  The
> cops have a lot of looking around ahead of them.  Seems awful worried
> for a guy who claims to be innocent.  I am wondering why he seems so
> sure he will be charged that he is building a legal defense fund before
> being arrested.
>
>
>>> Sadly we have nothing like the EFF here that could help me in this
>>> case by legal assistance, so i'm on my own and require a good
> lawyer.
>>> Thus i'm accepting donations for my legal expenses which i expect to
>>> be around 5000-10000 EUR.
> So you know how much it costs to defend a case with unknown charges and
> without knowing if you will be arrested yet?!?!?!
>
> This whole thing sounds flakier with every new detail.
>
> Steven Naslund
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eugen Leitl [mailto:eugen at leitl.org]
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 1:25 AM
> To: NANOG list
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node.
> Please help if you can.
>
> ----- Forwarded message from Asad Haider <asad at asadhaider.co.uk> -----
>
> From: Asad Haider <asad at asadhaider.co.uk>
> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 19:37:24 +0000
> To: tor-talk at lists.torproject.org
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node.
> 	Please help if you can.
> Reply-To: tor-talk at lists.torproject.org
>
> William will be posting a statement soon which will explain everything
> that's happened and give a detailed account of events, along with
> evidence including pictures showing the aftermath of the raid in his
> apartment, as well as copies of the warrant and inventory of seized
> items.
>
> He runs a large ISP in Austria and is a well respected member of the
> community, a lot of us have already sent in donations.
>
> His blog is https://rdns.im/ and I'm guessing the statement will be
> posted on there, I'll send everyone a link once it's finished being
> written.
>
> On 29 November 2012 19:22, Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org> wrote:
>
>> ----- Forwarded message from Emily Ozols <wingar at team-metro.net> -----
>>
>> From: Emily Ozols <wingar at team-metro.net>
>> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 01:14:08 +1100
>> To: nanog at nanog.org
>> Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please
> help if
>>          you can.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I gotta ask and I'm sure someone would if I didn't, but how do we know
>> this guy is legit?
>> He's jumped up on a forum saying, "Hey, police raided me, help. gib
>> mone plz" and failed to provide and reason as to how he's real and not
>> just making it up.
>>
>> Maybe if there's a way to know this guy is legit, I'll help out if
>> possible, but until then I'm just going to watch others with caution
>> and I suggest others do as well.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Chris <caldcv at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm not William and a friend pasted a link on IRC to me. I'm going
>>> to send him a few bucks because I know how it feels to get
>>> blindsided by the police on one random day and your world is turned
> upside down.
>>> Source:
>> http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/6283/raided-for-running-a-tor-exi
>> t-accepting-donations-for-legal-expenses
>>>  From the URL:
>>>
>>> Yes, it happened to me now as well - Yesterday i got raided for
>>> someone sharing child pornography over one of my Tor exits.
>>> I'm good so far, not in jail, but all my computers and hardware have
>>> been confiscated.
>>> (20 computers, 100TB+ storage, My Tablets/Consoles/Phones)
>>>
>>> If convicted i could face up to 6 years in jail, of course i do not
>>> want that and i also want to try to set a legal base for running Tor
>>> exit nodes in Austria or even the EU.
>>>
>>> Sadly we have nothing like the EFF here that could help me in this
>>> case by legal assistance, so i'm on my own and require a good
> lawyer.
>>> Thus i'm accepting donations for my legal expenses which i expect to
>>> be around 5000-10000 EUR.
>>>
>>> If you can i would appreciate if you could donate a bit (every
>>> amount helps, even the smallest) either by PayPal (any currency is
> ok):
>> https://paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=2Q4LZ
>> NBBD7EH4
>>> Or by Bank Transfer (EUR only please):
>>>
>>> Holder: William Weber
>>> Bank: EasyBank AG (Vienna, Austria)
>>> Account: 20011351213
>>> Bank sort number: 14200
>>> IBAN: AT031420020011351213
>>> BIC: EASYATW1
>>>
>>> I will try to pay them back when i'm out of this (or even before)
>>> but i can obviously not guarantee this, please keep this in mind.
>>> This money will only be used for legal expenses related to this
> case.
>>> If you have any questions or want to donate by another way
>>> (MoneyBookers, Webmoney, Bitcoin, Liberty Reserve, Neteller) feel
>>> free to send me a mail (william at william.si) or a PM, or contact me
>>> in LET IRC.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> William
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --C
>>>
>>> "The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going
>>> to be when you kill them." - Sir William Clayton
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ~Em
>>
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