isc - a good business

George Herbert george.herbert at
Mon May 28 20:08:56 UTC 2012

It's past given that large entities that can forge the use of BIND; at that point, engineering aside, Paul's point that the market and code have spoken is hard to deny.

Sucks when it works against us...

George William Herbert
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On May 28, 2012, at 12:52, Jay Ashworth <jra at> wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "paul vixie" <vixie at>
>> On 5/28/2012 11:52 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>>> ... maybe a bit too much layer ten for my taste. ...
>> on that, we're trying to improve. for example, we used to forego
>> features that some of us found repugnant, such as nxdomain remapping /
>> ad insertion. since the result was that our software was less relevant
>> but that there was no reduction in nxdomain remapping as a result of
>> BIND not providing it.
> To clarify that a bit...
> You're saying you used to decline to include in BIND the capability to break
> the Internet by returning things other than NXDOMAIN for names which do not
> exist...
> but now you're *ok* with breaking the internet, and BIND now does that?
> If that's what you mean, I'll explain to you why that's a bad layer 10 call.
> *Now*, you see, we no longer have a canonical Good Engineering Example to 
> which we can point when yelling at people (and software vendors) which
> *do* permit that, to say "see?  You shouldn't be doing that; it's bad."
> "The Web Is Not The Internet."
> Cheers,
> -- jra
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