James Smith james at
Sun Jan 22 05:15:29 UTC 2012

Well I have a question which is off the top of
But it's regarding governments around the world using cloud services.
Do we have others Canadians on this list who can confirm, what branches of 
the Canada Government are actively using public cloud services like google 
cloud services.
or are in the process are currently setting it up.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Matthew Kaufman
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:49 AM
To: George Bonser
Cc: nanog at
Subject: Re: seized

On 1/21/2012 12:19 PM, George Bonser wrote:
> I agree, Mike. Problem is that the communications infrastructure that 
> enables these sorts of options is generally so reliable people don't think 
> about what will happen if something happens between them and their data 
> that takes out their access to those services. Imagine a situation where 
> several municipal governments in, say, Santa Cruz County, California are 
> using such services and there is a repeat of the Loma Prieta quake. Their 
> data survives in Santa Clara county, their city offices survive but there 
> is considerable damage to infrastructure and structures in their 
> jurisdiction. But the communications is cut off between them and their 
> data and time to repair is unknown. The city is now without email 
> service....

But fortunately the data is also replicated in another data center
nowhere near the quake, so once they pull out the mobile emergency
operations center and aim the VSAT dish, they're back online with
everything as it was moments before the quake hit... far superior to
what formerly happened when the power or phone lines were down at their
own facility, never mind what would have happened if their own facility
with its infrequent backups to unreliable tape were destroyed.

Matthew Kaufman 

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