Legal Crap [was: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.]

Jimmy Hess mysidia at
Sat Dec 1 19:01:36 UTC 2012

On 12/1/12, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick at> wrote:
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 20:25 , Randy Bush <randy at> wrote:
> As for "the legal crap", most of what is posted is not on-topic here.  There
> are laws & legal implications which are operational, though.  And even
> though I am not a lawyer, I need to understand them or I cannot do my job.
> My lawyer is not going to pick which datacenter to lease, even if he knows a

Laws and legal ramifications are a driving force impacting design and
policy for network operations,  because they have financial
implications,  and finance matters. For example, if you or your orgs'
staff are denied access to your equipment or data and critical servers
are seized or offlined,  while a police investigation is ongoing, due
to a breach of PII confidentiality  (eg Stolen social security numbers
of staff members used by an ID thief), for example,  there is possible
hardship for the org,  even if you or your org fully exercised due
care  and went well beyond the minimum:  with a responsible
well-thought security program, and the offender is an outsider,    you
might soon not have a network,  due to bankruptcy.

In this case you might not have any "liability" or guilt for the
breach, but you have major costs, regardless.

Anyone, including people off the street, can have opinions about the
Law, and opinions about networks.     Would you be willing to rely
some  stranger off the street,  with no qualifications, or positive
background whatsoever,   to start recommending a new network design,
or give them a CLI with directions that they can start making whatever
changes they like to your core router?

Would you ask how to configure an AP to be secure,  on a  network law
discussion list?

Opinions are one thing;  but   a large amount of legal mumbo jumbo,
and attempting to suggest you have exactly what a court would find, or
what the exact and only issues are,
that list members can't responsibly rely on anyways (DUE to its
importance  not its non-importance), is a waste of bits,    and there
might be a more appropriate  place to  discuss   law  itself.   :)


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