Fair Use Policy

Bacon Zombie baconzombie at gmail.com
Wed Aug 22 16:06:34 CDT 2012


I how you are talking about 3G or there is a typo.
An ISP with a 5GB cap that is charging the end user more then 5$ total
{including line rental} a month should not be allow to operate.

And if your infrastructure and handle 25% at a minimum maxing out their
connect them don't advertise " unlimited " since you can't provide it and
it is false advertising.

The world would be a better place if ISPs that either throttled, cut off or
added on extra charges to the end users bill were fined to hell for false
advertising and repeat offenders were named and shamed on a public website.
 On 22 Aug 2012 20:42, "Shahab Vahabzadeh" <sh.vahabzadeh at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Owen,
> Would you please describe this some how more in my bussiness plan?
> I have both limited and unlimited users.
> For example I have these services in my package:
> 512Kb-5GB-1Month
> 256Kb-Unlimit-1Month
> And like this.
> Thanks
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>
> > Right... more specific aspect of the same coin. If you have adequate
> > facilities, you don't need to shape users.
> > If you have users that are overconsuming for your pricing model, there
> are
> > two good solutions:
> >
> > 1. Raise the prices enough for everyone that you can absorb these users.
> >  2. Implement usage-based charges (or usage based charges above a certain
> > usage tier) that cause these users to either self-regulate or pay for the
> > necessary
> >  upgrades to your infrastructure.
> >
> > Claiming to deliver "unlimited" service and then shaping it is, IMHO, a
> > questionable business practice at best.
> >
> > Owen
> >
> > On Aug 22, 2012, at 12:06 , Shahab Vahabzadeh <sh.vahabzadeh at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > What I am talking mostly is some services like COA, in which you can
> > change users shape time-base and periodically without disconnecting them.
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:33 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
> >
> >> If you want to control usage that way, sell a metered product. Bill the
> >> heavy users more for their usage.
> >>
> >> Otherwise, price your services such that you can build adequate upstream
> >> capacity to serve your users.
> >>
> >> I'm not a fan of using "rateshaping" (which is what you are describing)
> >> to cover for inadequate facilities.
> >>
> >> Owen
> >>
> >> On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:57 , Shahab Vahabzadeh <sh.vahabzadeh at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Owen,
> >> As you know in pick time of internet usage like midnight in which we
> have
> >> free-access times too, some users which really want to use internet for
> >> their daily usage and not downloading or using peer-to-peer services
> >> unfairly affecting this problem.
> >> Some companies are using some polices for users to solve this problem.
> >> Do you have any Idea?
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think the first step would be to define what you mean by fair use.
> >>>
> >>> Are you talking in the DMCA sense of the term, the legal sense of the
> >>> term as applies
> >>> to IP in other areas, or something else?
> >>>
> >>> Owen
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:40 , Shahab Vahabzadeh <sh.vahabzadeh at gmail.com
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Hello Everybody,
> >>> > Has any body any good and easy setup idea for "Fair Use Policy"
> >>> service for
> >>> > my xdsl customers?!
> >>> > Can do this in the BRAS side and nothing done with accounting and
> >>> radius?
> >>> > Thanks
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > Regards,
> >>> > Shahab Vahabzadeh, Network Engineer and System Administrator
> >>> >
> >>> > Cell Phone: +1 (415) 871 0742
> >>> > PGP Key Fingerprint = 8E34 B335 D702 0CA7 5A81  C2EE 76A2 46C2 5367
> >>> BF90
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards,
> >> Shahab Vahabzadeh, Network Engineer and System Administrator
> >>
> >> Cell Phone: +1 (415) 871 0742
> >> PGP Key Fingerprint = 8E34 B335 D702 0CA7 5A81  C2EE 76A2 46C2 5367 BF90
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Shahab Vahabzadeh, Network Engineer and System Administrator
> >
> > Cell Phone: +1 (415) 871 0742
> > PGP Key Fingerprint = 8E34 B335 D702 0CA7 5A81  C2EE 76A2 46C2 5367 BF90
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Shahab Vahabzadeh, Network Engineer and System Administrator
>
> Cell Phone: +1 (415) 871 0742
> PGP Key Fingerprint = 8E34 B335 D702 0CA7 5A81  C2EE 76A2 46C2 5367 BF90
>


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