Fair Use Policy

Robert E. Seastrom rs at seastrom.com
Wed Aug 22 16:01:22 CDT 2012


Hi Shahab,

You can find out how much bandwidth they're using by having that
reported periodically via RADIUS (or at least when the session ends,
worst case).  Store in database.  SELECT sum(blah) from foo where id="bar".

Next question is what do you want to do to them once they exceed their
bandwidth?  Drop them into a walled garden (different Virtual-Template
/ address pool)?  Turn their service off?  Rate shape the heck out of
them so they feel like it's 1993?

-r

Shahab Vahabzadeh <sh.vahabzadeh at gmail.com> writes:

> Dear Owen,
> Would you please describe this some how more in my bussiness plan?
> I have both limited and unlimited users.
> For example I have these services in my package:
> 512Kb-5GB-1Month
> 256Kb-Unlimit-1Month
> And like this.
> Thanks
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>
>> Right... more specific aspect of the same coin. If you have adequate
>> facilities, you don't need to shape users.
>> If you have users that are overconsuming for your pricing model, there are
>> two good solutions:
>>
>> 1. Raise the prices enough for everyone that you can absorb these users.
>>  2. Implement usage-based charges (or usage based charges above a certain
>> usage tier) that cause these users to either self-regulate or pay for the
>> necessary
>>  upgrades to your infrastructure.
>>
>> Claiming to deliver "unlimited" service and then shaping it is, IMHO, a
>> questionable business practice at best.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>> On Aug 22, 2012, at 12:06 , Shahab Vahabzadeh <sh.vahabzadeh at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> What I am talking mostly is some services like COA, in which you can
>> change users shape time-base and periodically without disconnecting them.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:33 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If you want to control usage that way, sell a metered product. Bill the
>>> heavy users more for their usage.
>>>
>>> Otherwise, price your services such that you can build adequate upstream
>>> capacity to serve your users.
>>>
>>> I'm not a fan of using "rateshaping" (which is what you are describing)
>>> to cover for inadequate facilities.
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
>>> On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:57 , Shahab Vahabzadeh <sh.vahabzadeh at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Owen,
>>> As you know in pick time of internet usage like midnight in which we have
>>> free-access times too, some users which really want to use internet for
>>> their daily usage and not downloading or using peer-to-peer services
>>> unfairly affecting this problem.
>>> Some companies are using some polices for users to solve this problem.
>>> Do you have any Idea?
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think the first step would be to define what you mean by fair use.
>>>>
>>>> Are you talking in the DMCA sense of the term, the legal sense of the
>>>> term as applies
>>>> to IP in other areas, or something else?
>>>>
>>>> Owen
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:40 , Shahab Vahabzadeh <sh.vahabzadeh at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Hello Everybody,
>>>> > Has any body any good and easy setup idea for "Fair Use Policy"
>>>> service for
>>>> > my xdsl customers?!
>>>> > Can do this in the BRAS side and nothing done with accounting and
>>>> radius?
>>>> > Thanks
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Regards,
>>>> > Shahab Vahabzadeh, Network Engineer and System Administrator
>>>> >
>>>> > Cell Phone: +1 (415) 871 0742
>>>> > PGP Key Fingerprint = 8E34 B335 D702 0CA7 5A81  C2EE 76A2 46C2 5367
>>>> BF90
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>> Shahab Vahabzadeh, Network Engineer and System Administrator
>>>
>>> Cell Phone: +1 (415) 871 0742
>>> PGP Key Fingerprint = 8E34 B335 D702 0CA7 5A81  C2EE 76A2 46C2 5367 BF90
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Shahab Vahabzadeh, Network Engineer and System Administrator
>>
>> Cell Phone: +1 (415) 871 0742
>> PGP Key Fingerprint = 8E34 B335 D702 0CA7 5A81  C2EE 76A2 46C2 5367 BF90
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Regards,
> Shahab Vahabzadeh, Network Engineer and System Administrator
>
> Cell Phone: +1 (415) 871 0742
> PGP Key Fingerprint = 8E34 B335 D702 0CA7 5A81  C2EE 76A2 46C2 5367 BF90



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