Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

Wallace Keith kwallace at
Fri Aug 3 21:56:37 UTC 2012

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Bulk [mailto:frnkblk at] 
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 5:27 PM
To: 'William Herrin'
Cc: nanog at
Subject: RE: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

A good portable generator is more than $500, and if it's a wide-spread outage there's not enough portable generators to go around, and if there were, not enough people to set them and give them their fluids.  And it doesn't pay to put a natural gas (or similar) generator at every node for those rare instances where the battery does not suffice.


-----Original Message-----
From: William Herrin [mailto:bill at]
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 2:31 PM
To: Seth Mattinen
Cc: nanog at
Subject: Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Seth Mattinen <sethm at> wrote:


> The central plant days are mostly gone; there's fiber huts everywhere 
> and not enough trucks/manpower (in my area a lineman sits in his truck 
> and reads a book while tethered to the power
> kiosk) to run them all if the outage is too widespread for too long.

They put a quarter million dollars into the fiber hut. They can't put a $500 gasoline generator in a warehouse 50 miles away and go pick it up when there's an extended outage?

I'll give Verizon a little credit. They restored service after about
12 hours of outage. Cox didn't restore service until 12 hours *after* my power came back on.

Could be worse. I could have Pepco instead of Dominion. But it could be better. And 20 years ago the reliability was.


William D. Herrin ................ herrin at  bill at
3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004

One would think the head end of the fiber would have batteries and a generator.  I have TDS fiber at home and I believe it goes all the way back to the CO with no active items between.  I do have UPS's and a genset to keep the ONT and servers running.  Here in Fairpoint (former Verizon) land, most of the SLC  huts I've seen,  have either a genset or a plug for a mobile generator on the side of the bldg. The generators in the service vehicles can plug into these.  The cable (HFC)  infrastructure, on the other hand, has pole mounted power supplies that apparently (to me) go dead within an hour of a power failure.  No way to back them up easily that I can see.
Running BGP and hosting over a residential service such as cable or DSL, has it's limitations as I have learned. I doubt your LEC  has an SLA for DSL service.  I would look at hosting somewhere  closer to your eyeball networks and let them worry about power, cooling and network availability.


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