Squeezing IPs out of ARIN

Andy Susag asusag at ifncom.net
Wed Apr 25 16:28:25 CDT 2012

We just recently "wrastled" with ARIN to get a whopping /22 from them,
it wasn't very easy. 

Keeping record of what you have allocated downstream is important and I
totally agree with ARIN insisting this be done. Luckily as long as you
have an address, customer name, and a contact, you can issue reassign
simples to hostmaster. You don't have to walk your customers through
creating POCs and ORG-IDs. When you issue a reassign simple, it will
automatically create all that. As long as your allocations are 80% full,
you should be able to make a request. You might not get what you want

Seems kind of counterproductive to ARIN though. I wouldn't think they'd
like a database full of fudged SWIP info, but I guess they're OK with

-----Original Message-----
From: Richey [mailto:mylists at battleop.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 13:21
To: 'Kenneth McRae'; 'Owen DeLong'
Cc: nanog at nanog.org
Subject: RE: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN

I got a new allocation about 18 months ago.  I sent them a spread sheet
of the users and their current IPs.  I changed the real customer name to
something that reflected what business they were in.  So I had lots of
"Hotel Customer 1" and "Dr. Office 112" with what IPs they were using.
There was no way we were going to release a complete customer list to
anyone.  They didn't seem to have a problem with this.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth McRae [mailto:kenneth.mcrae at dreamhost.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:46 AM
To: Owen DeLong
Cc: nanog at nanog.org
Subject: Re: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN

I have never provided the names of end users..  How the address space
would be utilized?  Definitely..  But not the names of end users...

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

> There is not a new policy added on to prevent hoarding. What is 
> required is what has been required for several years. Utilization 
> information and proper justification.
> If you are seeking an ISP allocation, then, reassignment (customer) 
> information is in fact part of that utilization information.
> Owen
> On Apr 25, 2012, at 8:22 AM, Kenneth McRae wrote:
> > Negative..  I have never had to provide end user information.  I 
> > have
> been
> > required to provide utilization information.  I am sure this 
> > "policy" is and add-on to make it more difficult to prevent
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Jonathan Lassoff <jof at thejof.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:32 AM,  <admin at thecpaneladmin.com>
> >>> Anyone have any tips for getting IPs from ARIN? For an end-user
> >> allocation
> >>> they are requesting that we provide customer names for existing
> >> allocations,
> >>> which is information that will take a while to obtain. They are
> insisting
> >>> that this is standard process and something that everyone does 
> >>> when requesting IPs.  Has anyone actually had to do this?
> >>
> >> Indeed. It's worked this way for a long time.
> >>
> >> When starting a new organization, there's a bit of a chicken and 
> >> egg problem with IP space. If anyone could get IP space just for 
> >> asking for it, it would have been consumed too quickly. So, 
> >> organizations must first get some space assigned to them from an 
> >> upstream provider and begin using it.
> >> At some point the current usage and growth rate of the assigned 
> >> space will justify a direct allocation.
> >>
> >> Then, you can renumber into your new space and be totally
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> jof
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Kenneth McRae
> > *Sr. Network Engineer*
> > kenneth.mcrae at dreamhost.com
> > Ph: 323-375-3814
> > www.dreamhost.com

Best Regards,

Kenneth McRae
*Sr. Network Engineer*
kenneth.mcrae at dreamhost.com
Ph: 323-375-3814

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