Squeezing IPs out of ARIN

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Wed Apr 25 11:55:55 CDT 2012


No, you didn't. You may have completed the acquisition of a large IPv6 block, but you did not purchase it.

Number resources are not property and cannot be bought and/or sold.

What you pay to ARIN pays for registration services (the registration of the numbers, not the numbers themselves). While I realize that in practice this may seem like a distinction without a difference, there are major legal and practical implications to this fact that are quite important to the very underpinnings of how the internet works.

Owen

On Apr 25, 2012, at 8:54 AM, -Hammer- wrote:

> I can say that I recently completed the purchase of a large IPv6 block. We've had several large V4 blocks for years and got them with very little effort. For this block, we had to provide a detailed list of all our physical locations as well as how the IP schema would be utilized. I also had to provide site drawings (scrubbed visios) showing my topology layout to justify my additional ASNs. It was not a harsh ordeal. ARIN was very professional about it. But it was a lot more paperwork than what I've needed in the past. None of it seemed unreasonable. We just had to work out NDAs and whatnot so I could share more detailed information with them.
> 
> -Hammer-
> 
> "I was a normal American nerd"
> -Jack Herer
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/25/2012 10:34 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> There is not a new policy added on to prevent hoarding. What is required is what
>> has been required for several years. Utilization information and proper justification.
>> 
>> If you are seeking an ISP allocation, then, reassignment (customer) information is
>> in fact part of that utilization information.
>> 
>> Owen
>> 
>> On Apr 25, 2012, at 8:22 AM, Kenneth McRae wrote:
>> 
>>> Negative..  I have never had to provide end user information.  I have been
>>> required to provide utilization information.  I am sure this "policy" is
>>> and add-on to make it more difficult to prevent hoarding..
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Jonathan Lassoff<jof at thejof.com>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:32 AM,<admin at thecpaneladmin.com>  wrote:
>>>>> Anyone have any tips for getting IPs from ARIN? For an end-user
>>>> allocation
>>>>> they are requesting that we provide customer names for existing
>>>> allocations,
>>>>> which is information that will take a while to obtain. They are insisting
>>>>> that this is standard process and something that everyone does when
>>>>> requesting IPs.  Has anyone actually had to do this?
>>>> Indeed. It's worked this way for a long time.
>>>> 
>>>> When starting a new organization, there's a bit of a chicken and egg
>>>> problem with IP space. If anyone could get IP space just for asking
>>>> for it, it would have been consumed too quickly. So, organizations
>>>> must first get some space assigned to them from an upstream provider
>>>> and begin using it.
>>>> At some point the current usage and growth rate of the assigned space
>>>> will justify a direct allocation.
>>>> 
>>>> Then, you can renumber into your new space and be totally independent.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> jof
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kenneth McRae
>>> *Sr. Network Engineer*
>>> kenneth.mcrae at dreamhost.com
>>> Ph: 323-375-3814
>>> www.dreamhost.com
>> 
>> 




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