Internet mauled by bears

Jason Baugher jason at
Tue Sep 20 14:15:26 UTC 2011

On 9/20/2011 2:37 AM, Joel jaeggli wrote:
> On 9/19/11 18:49 , Richard Barnes wrote:
>> And if they turn up the voltage on the fence high enough, dinner could be
>> cooked by the time the crew gets there!
> montana experience says:
> cows have rather thick skin, sheep come with insulation, and bison will
> go through anything that gets in their way including 3 x 6" diameter
> corner posts and 4 strands of barbed and 2 hot wires.
> horses on the other hand are pansies.
> livestock always ends up on the other side of the fence...
In Illinois:

Cows actually train to electric fence (hot wire) fairly well. They don't 
like being shocked too much. Once they get used to the fence, you can 
shut it off and they'll stay in for weeks because they won't even 
attempt it. That said, sometimes you get a cow that just really wants to 
be difficult and will go through anything. That cow is suddenly turned 
into hamburger.

Pigs also train to electric fence well. As tough as their hide is, it 
shocks well.

Sheep are difficult. Other than when they are recently sheared, they 
have a natural protection across 95% of their body. Unless it hits them 
in the head or lower leg, they aren't going to feel it. Even when 
sheared, they are a very stubborn animal. I've seen them standing facing 
a fence, swaying forward and backward, almost like they're trying to 
time the shock pulse. Then they go on through and tear up the wire and 
posts in the process. I've seen 4 strands of wire spaced about 10 inches 
apart and they won't stay in.

Horses are okay, but you have to tie things to the wire so they can see 
it. They're too dumb to remember where it is, apparently.

There is a big range of fence boxes. Some have a long pulse that isn't 
too "hot". If you hold one of these, they make your hand and arm muscles 
clench up but they don't hurt too much. The other end of the range have 
a short "hot" pulse that will jump a good distance and will burn through 
green weeds. These hurt.
>> On Sep 19, 2011 9:34 PM, "Suresh Ramasubramanian"<ops.lists at>
>> wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:20 AM, John van Oppen
>> <jvanoppen at>  wrote:
>>> We had a cow br...
>> Your crews turning up there the next time a cow tries its luck are
>> guaranteed a steak dinner then.

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