wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

Cameron Byrne cb.list6 at gmail.com
Sat Sep 17 17:51:08 UTC 2011

On Sep 17, 2011 10:41 AM, "Randy Bush" <randy at psg.com> wrote:
> >>>> As an ISP, ARIN will not give you any space if you are new. You
> >>>> have to already have an equivalent amount of space from another
> >>>> provider.
> >>> does arin *really* still have that amazing barrier to market
> >>> entry?
> >> Yes.  If you want PI space, you have to start off with PA space,
> >> utilize it, and then apply for PI space and an AS #, with contracts
> >> demonstrating your intention to multihome.  Then, you have to
> >> *migrate* off the PA space and surrender it back to the 'owner'.  You
> >> cannot get further PI allocations until you've done this.
> > The ARIN community is easily it's own worst enemy.
> the arin policy weenie industry is one of the internet's worst enemies
> randy


I will echo my displeasure with the idea that you can only get a lot if you
already have a lot.  This mess is enough to make cgn look appealing...

One more reason we can all do ourselves a favor by moving to ipv6, remove
the number scarcity issue and associated baggage of begging for numbers


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