wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network
Charles N Wyble
charles at knownelement.com
Fri Sep 16 14:45:33 CDT 2011
Wow this turned into a very long post....
On 09/16/2011 01:10 PM, hasserw at hushmail.com wrote:
> No one replied with any useful information. I guess no one wants
> competition on this list? Pretty poor tactic.
> On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:55:01 -0400 hasserw at hushmail.com wrote:
Mr hasserw at husmail.com, the net is big enough for many forms of networks
and competition to exist. The fact that you write from a hushmail
address is intriguing to me. That may have kept others from answering
Using ones real name/personal e-mail address builds a reputation. It
also helps if you've posted other threads in the past. Looking over my
post history (both replies and threads i started), one will see a
progression of learning and participation. I don't recall seeing any
posts from you in the past. As such, it may not have been wise to burst
onto the scene and say "please to do my homework for me". Contributing
to a few threads, starting a couple of your own (on a more specific
subject) and saying "this is what I'm planning to do, here is what I've
researched, please tell me if I'm doing it horribly wrong" is a good way
to start in any community.
I had high hopes for the thread you had started, but am disappointed by
the somewhat juvenile response that you sent. I believe you killed off
the opportunity for some excellent discussion. So I'm starting another
one, in the event people are ignoring the previous thread. Plus my title
I did learn some things from that thread (such as nsrc.org). Thank you
for posting those links and inspiring the title of this thread Bill.
In my case, I have knowledge (through consuming way too much *NOG lists
and other resources). However all of my experience is in data
center/enterprise LAN networking. WAN experience is limited to default
BGP route delivery or statically configured links. So I have never built
an ISP network before. I want to join the community, and as such am
seeking advice before I blindly go off and end up being one of "those"
Here is what I am doing and how I plan to go about doing it. Feedback
most welcome. Please be critical but polite. :)
The previous thread mentioned business plan. That's absolutely critical.
Competing on delivering the Internet is foolish at this point in the
game. I'm giving net access away for free, and making money off of hyper
localized advertising). I'm also using existing co location facilities
Looking over my linked in profile will demonstrate my existing expertise
on the business and tech side of both online and hyper local
advertising, and large scale, distributed server operations. However
I'm currently not experienced on the network build out side. I figured
the only way to get the level of experience I want, is to build a
service provider network.
I'm in the process of building out a backbone network across the United
States. Starting off small (3 points of presence: 600 West 7th st Los
Angeles, 60 hudson NYC , 324 E 11th KC MO). In two cases I'm leveraging
existing relationships with strong WAN engineers who will be receiving
some equity in my startup, in one I'm a new customer off the street and
doing everything myself other then the basic colo services (net drop,
power, cooling, security, smart hands).
This backbone network will be used to terminate regional wireless
networks. The wireless networks are being funded by the communities that
the network serves through direct donations and by hyper localized
So here we go with technical nuts/bolts of the plan (as bill so
eloquently put it):
"I am going to presume OSS and fully depricated kit to keep your costs
down and to boost your learning skills."
Something like that.
1) Obtain ASN from ARIN (using LOA from existing upstream relationships).
2) Obtain ipv6 space from ARIN (inquired about getting space and ran
into some issues. need to speak with my co founder and get details.
evidently getting brand new v6 space for a brand new network is fairly
difficult. for now may just announce a /48 from he.net. ) Yes I did come
up with a sub netting plan for the entire United States out of a single
/48. It's quite ingenious really. More details on request if anyone
3) Announce prefixes from initial point of presence locations for
availability / traffic engineering reasons. Using a mix of Quagga on
Linux virtual machiens, pfSense on dell servers and Cisco gear.
So more or less the steps that Bill mentioned in his response. It was
somewhat tongue in cheek, but also quite accurate. I'm bootstrapping
with personal funds / gear at the moment. However I believe it can be
"done right". I also have a fair amount of gear I've been obtaining over
the past few years with the specific intent of building an ISP. The
business plan has evolved over time. It's now at a rather mature point,
and it's time to get my hands dirty.
Whew. Sorry for the long post. Hopefully folks will read it. :)
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