Did Internap lose all clue?

Richard Irving rirving at antient.org
Thu Oct 20 21:07:11 UTC 2011


Awww C'mon. It is the same old, same old.

Q:  What is the difference between a Sales Engineer,
and an Engineer ?

A:  The Engineer *knows* when he is lying.


"same as it ever was.... same as it ever was...same as it .. ever... 
was.." - Talking Heads


On 10/20/2011 04:59 PM, Holmes,David A wrote:
> Looking at the link referenced below, the route optimization method mentioned appears to be very similar to the old Routescience or Sockeye BGP optimization products.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Nakamura [mailto:zeusdadog at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:54 PM
> To: bas
> Cc: nanog
> Subject: Re: Did Internap lose all clue?
> Well, it didn't say "router hops"...  They could mean "AS hops" I
> guess.  I never trust marketing garbage anyway.  It makes my head
> hurt.
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 4:48 PM, bas<kilobit at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> Recently I was contacted by an Internap sales person.
>> The third line of the email read:
>> "As you know well, BGP makes all routing decisions simply based on HOP COUNT"
>> I blinked my eyes a couple of times.. Yes it really said hop count.
>> Then I replied to the guy that if he tries to sell a technical product
>> to technical people he should get his info straight.
>> But he replied BGP actually makes decisions based on hop count.
>> He even sent an URL from the internap website that states this
>> http://www.internap.com/it-iq/route-optimization-miro/
>> On that page there is also this gem:
>> "BGP relies on the premise that hops are responsible for packet loss
>> and congestion, and therefore a route with fewer hops is inherently
>> better. "
>> I can imagine blatant misinformation like this from a shady startup
>> trying to trick some sales with smoke and mirrors, but from Internap?
>> -- Bas
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