Yup; the Internet is screwed up.

TR Shaw tshaw at oitc.com
Sun Jun 12 18:32:39 UTC 2011

When I had mine years ago I was lucky that ISDN in FL was unmetered which was no the case in other locales.  However it took forever to get it installed and working correctly. Bell South had to change out pairs and get a tech from 200 miles away to get it installed right.  Today, the central office in my town doesn't even support ISDN any more.

As for cellular data being an option I don't think so give the increasing data caps and extra fees for overage (which is probably why "the cloud" might have big issues for mobile users)

I never liked cable as around here it slows down very noticeably when the kids get off school and they don't like giving out fixed IPs unless you get a "business account."

ATTuniverse has its own issues and became only available around here last year. Its the only DSL option.

So I use WISP even at home just south of the space center.


On Jun 12, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Kenneth M. Chipps Ph.D. wrote:

> Sure its old and slow, but it is or at least was readily available to use
> poor country folk that cannot get DSL and so forth. The failback positions
> when all else is unavailable is analog, ISDN, or T1 from a landline,
> satellite or a WISP through the air with cellular data becoming more of an
> option.
> When I called AT&T to order the ISDN line years ago, their answer was - Huh,
> What, Do we sell that.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Shein [mailto:bzs at world.std.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 1:03 PM
> To: Jon Lewis
> Cc: NANOG list
> Subject: Re: Yup; the Internet is screwed up.
> On June 11, 2011 at 20:53 jlewis at lewis.org (Jon Lewis) wrote:
>> Have you heard the joke...ISDN = I Still Don't kNow?  For whatever
> reason,  > BRI service is something the US telcos apparently never really
> wanted to  > sell...perhaps because it might have cut into their T1
> business. 
> FWIW, ISDN is pretty old, standardized in 1988 but worked on for years
> before that.
> The BIG VISION of the telcos was that ISDN would carry the whole stack,
> particularly services like (business) e-mail. If you're really old you
> remember MCI Mail which was like 20c/message. They never seriously
> considered a public internet like we got when architecting ISDN.
> Consequently the whole thing was just too expensive to deliver as a
> last-mile connectivity-only product. They needed revenue from the rest of
> the stack to make it profitable.
> That said, ISDN was very cool in that it was switched which meant you
> "dialed" something, a lot like a POTS number. It was usually an actual POTS
> telephone number with some more digits but whatever.
> But it could establish a connection in about 50msec which meant you could be
> dropped, say for idle, hit a key and it'd redial and you'd never notice you
> were dropped. Try that with POTS dial-up! You could pretty much be dropped
> and redialed between keystrokes and never much notice.
> More importantly it meant you could have more than one ISDN "ISP", like
> dial-up (or voice for that matter) just "dial" a different number.
> There was discussion, people like Sen Ed Markey of MA was interested (ca
> 1992?), in trying to get the phone companies to embrace first ISDN (they
> were reluctant, I had it at home but you really had to know how to order it
> etc) and then some sort of next generation ISDN which would be faster, maybe
> 10x, and so on.
> The attraction of DSL was, among other things, that it was nailed down to
> one and only one service provider, you couldn't just "dial" some other
> provider like with ISDN.
> This was a very important fork in the history of last-mile services, when we
> went from mostly switched (dial-up, maybe ISDN) to nailed-up single vendor
> solutions.
> I'd love to see some sort of "switched" last-mile services again, introduce
> some competition into the system, tho most likely it'd be
> (more) virtual over some low-level broadband service.
> -- 
>        -Barry Shein
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