(OT) UN declares Internet access a "human right"

Andrew Kirch trelane at trelane.net
Mon Jun 6 22:32:27 CDT 2011


On 6/6/2011 11:29 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 9:11 PM,  <Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu> wrote:
>
> Well, the operational concern is... various governments have lately
> shown a trend of disconnecting their countries'  networks.
> UN action is unlikely to help; they are too delayed, and there is
> a lack of enforcement power - symbolic actions don't stop
> networks from being disconnected.
>
> A technical solution rather than a UN solution, would be more
> beneficial; some sort of  decentralized, high-speed,
> unjammable  wireless mesh  with better performance than
> government severable links would be ideal.
>
> However,  the internet's  existence is attributable to society, not a
> characteristic of humans.  It's odd to suggest there's a natural right
> for the internet to exist - the UN seems mistaken -- maybe there's a
> natural right whose exercise permits participation in the community
> without government interference.
>
> Forced internet disconnections, as in,  government imposed  suppression
> are the same concept as shutting down television networks, seizing printing
> presses, restricting/closing broadcast stations,  taking or breaking citizens'
> TVs and telephones,  banning possession of books/magazines.
>
> UN doesn't need to say those are bad, it's obvious; it's just politics,
> and the UN trying to appear to stay relevant.   Hopefully "human right
> to internet" is not a precursor to taking up IPv4 Exhaustion and declaring
> itself arbiter of addressing policy.
>
>
>> Concise enough for you?  You may also want to investigate the relative
>> importance of communications and armaments in Ghandi's struggle for a free
>> India, the US civil rights movement, and the collapse of the Soviet Union.
>> That's 3 examples of change mediated by communications without rifles.  Then
>> there's Darfur - an example of rifles without communications infrastructure.
>
> Which has pretty much nil to do with the basic human right to secure arms.
> Making social change by force is not an individual human right.
> Social change is the right of societies.[*]
>
> The natural need for a rational person to keep and bear arms, is to defend
> their person:  their life,  and things they need in order to continue
> to be alive.
> The threat could be anything from a dangerous animal, to an outlaw coming
> to raid the last of your food and water, during a drought.
>
> The natural right is to keep items to defend yourself against threats, and to
> bear arms in your defense against  lawless assailants;  where arms refers
> to the prevalent weapons required.*
>
>
> Individual natural right does not extend to bearing arms to coerce change in
> government or others, whether politically viewed as despotic or not,
> anymore than the right to free speech guarantees every person a bullhorn
> to wake up their neighbors at 3am with their protest message against the
> alleged despot.
>
> Any 'natural right'  taken to extreme, without regard to others,
> becomes insane/tyrannical, when taken to that extreme.
>
> *Not that anyone's rifle will do anything against the local state
> sponsored military.
>

I might also point out that at some point we may be required to protect
this "basic human right" if someone tries to shut off our internets.




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