(OT) Firearms Was: UN declares Internet access a "human right"

Andrew Kirch trelane at trelane.net
Mon Jun 6 15:39:27 UTC 2011

nothing like 40 short and wimpy!  Might I interest you in a 45? :)

On 6/6/2011 11:37 AM, Nick Olsen wrote:
> Don't leave the house without my Glock 23 on my side. Truck always has a 
> loaded 12ga in it. In the house, I've got a handful of pistols and my 
> SR-556 (AR-15) in the "Guns and servers" closet.
> I've had people call me Paranoid more then once. My stance is "Better to 
> have it and not need it, Then need it and not have it."
> By banning guns from a community, Your only taking them out of the hands of 
> law abiding citizens. Not like most criminals get guns via legal channels 
> in the first place.
> -Nick Olsen
> ----------------------------------------
>  From: "Daniel Seagraves" <dseagrav at humancapitaldev.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:34 AM
> To: nanog at nanog.org
> Subject: Re: (OT) Firearms Was: UN declares Internet access a "human 
> right"
> On Jun 6, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu wrote:
>> Nice try, but the human right you just made a case for is "the right to 
> rid
>> yourself of criminals and despots".  A "fundamental right" for citizens 
> to have
>> firearms does *not* automatically follow.  Yes, despots usually need to 
> be
>> removed by force.  What Ghandi showed was that the force didn't have to 
> be
>> military - there are other types of force that work well too...
> I believe that as a law-abiding citizen, I should have the right to be at 
> least as well-armed as the average criminal. If the average criminal has 
> access to firearms, then I should have that option as well. I should not be 
> forced into a disadvantage against criminals by virtue of my compliance 
> with the law. Once law enforcement is effective enough to prevent the 
> average criminal from having access to firearms, then the law-abiding 
> population can be compelled to disarm. This stance can result in an 
> escalation scenario in which criminals strive to remain better-armed than 
> their intended victims, but the job of law enforcement is to prevent them 
> from being successful.
> At present, the average criminal in my area does not have firearms, and so 
> I do not own one. Gun crime is on the increase, however, so this situation 
> may change.

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